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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Victoria833 on Monday 26 January 26 14:29 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am trying to find death location and date of Charles Albert Squire. Born Hull England 1894 Joined Australian army at the start of WW1.At the end of the war he settled in Mortlake Victoria farming. He married Minnie Coulson (1888-1984) in 1919. I don't think they had any children. I would appreciate help as have run out of options Thanks
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Sorry No luck with Charles
however, Victoria BDM have details of Minnies Death in 1948. Maybe her Death Cert may give you more details of Charles
https://my.rio.bdm.vic.gov.au/efamily-history/6977e3aa39939d448eee1248/results?q=efamily
SQUIRE Minnie Death , Alice CASTER , COULSON Frederick GEELONG 60 1948 19731/1948
Find a grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227879946/minnie-squire
Minnie Squire Birth 1888 Death 28 Jul 1948 (aged 59–60)
Burial Ballarat Old Cemetery Ballarat, City of Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Plot EN, Section 3, Grave 6
regards Cass
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Sorry different Charles
Charles A H Squires; Date of death: 15 Dec 1946
Adopted son: Bertram Hugh SQUIRES
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/0E9271BE-F514-11E9-AE98-419BC6B41C3E?image=2
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/01B807DD-F21A-11E9-AE98-672ECD89BD4C
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Using National Archives of Australia, I find -
* SQUIRE Charles : Service Number - 833 : POB - Hall England
Place of Enlistment - Woomelang VIC : Next of Kin - (Sister) N/A
* VIC BDM marriage
SQUIRE Charles marr. COULSON Minnie 11237 / 1919
* On electoral rolls they are Charles SQUIRE and Minnie SQUIRE.
* Where do you see this man to be named Charles Albert SQUIRE?.
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Hi Victoria.
Minnie appears on the Vic electoral roll to 1936 with Charles, a farmer at Shadwell Park Mortlake.
I still have my old Cemetery CDs including Ballarat Old and New which is very detailed in the information contained.
Minnie was an inmate of the Ballarat Mental Hospital at her death on 28/7/1048.
In grave EN. 3.6. At the time of the burial she was the last interred in that grave with Coulson family.
A note says 1M which means room for one more according to the Cemetery's explanatory notes.
I will attach the snip of the burials.
Sue
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Hi I had a look on TROVE for Squire Shadwell park
there is an article in March 1939 talks about land formerly held by C Squire
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22998002?searchTerm=squire%20shadwell%20park
also
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1762027?searchTerm=shadwell%20park
sounds like land for Soldier Settlements'
this one Squires and Mortlake
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65293865?searchTerm=squire%20mortlake
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Under a different spelling -with an S at the end of his surname- Charles enlisted WW2
He has a different wife and lives in Hay NSW. He is a station hand
Later in the file the last S is crossed off his surname.
Sue
ADDING, his file shows he served in the volunteer defence Cop until discharge in 1945.
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The woman named as wife to Charles on his ww2 enlistment was Anita Leslie.
On the electoral Roll, the surname is SQUIRES.
In 1953 Anita Leslie SQUIRES is at Bungle Gully, come by Chance NSW.
this is a remote, isolated area.
I do not see a marriage for this couple.
Nor do I see a electoral registration for Charles. so not oo sure about it.
A woman of the name anita Leslie SQUIRES in 1968 is at East Crescent St, Nth Sydney , a cook.
There is this death
SQUIRES, ANITA
17113/1974
DIED NORTH SYDNEY
073
001
Sue
ADDING.
Sorry I had missed this E. Roll entry
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This could be his death on NSW BDM 1947
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?11
SQUIRES CHARLES 24813/1947 WALTER LOUISE GRENFELL
parents' names appear to be same as on 1901 Census ( if I have the correct Charles)
I think this drills down to DOD 4.12.1947
Find a grave
Charles Squires Birth unknown Death 1947
Burial Grenfell Cemetery Grenfell, Weddin Shire, New South Wales, Australia
Plot Presbyterian Section 17 Row H
Cass
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Oh Good!
Victoria will be pleased when she gets back to us ;D.
I am getting the impression that Charles was trying not to be spotted.
In his WW2 enlistment he gives a birth date of 4th May 1892, and rather cleverly, he states Yes married and gives the date of his marriage as requested which is 1919. Only the wife is not the woman he married in 1919 ;) It's Anita.
Sue
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Anita used the name SQUIRES to her death.
Anita SQUIRES
Death Date 11 Oct. 1974
Cemetery Rookwood General Cemetery
Rookwood, Cumberland City Council, New South Wales, Australia
Sue
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Thanks everyone I have a more information which might be useful Charles's parents.
Father Walter George Squire B.Hull East Yorkshire 1853
Mother Sarah Louisa Squire B.London 1856
Sister on WW1 sign up form Leanora Squire B.Hull1897.
Thanks again for your help.
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Hi Victoria,
Great to see you have been online since our recent postings which have maybe answered your query.
The usual thing at this point would be a reply from you to confirm you've seen it, and perhaps a comment and/or your thoughts ;D
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Sue
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I'm beginning to wonder if we have the correct Charles Squire enlisting in WW2 under surname of SquireS.
https://nominal-rolls.dva.gov.au/veteran?id=408001&c=WW2
The WW2 enlistment has the "S" added and different NoK That chap enlisted at Hay NSW on 03 Jul 1942, giving "TOOGUMBIE" as his residence; There is a "Toogimbie Station" near(ish!) to Hay.
There are many Charles Squire/s listed in Victoria/NSW - some even in Mortlake as Charles SQUIRES at the same time as Charles SQUIRE.
These entries seem to me to be for the Charles we're searching for:
Electoral rolls
all Charles SQUIRE in Mortlake, Vic:
1924, 1931, 1936, 1937
at Shadwell Park, Mortlake, farmer
with Minnie Squire, hd
In 1935 he was to pay 543pounds to add an extra 41 acres to land he already had in Mortlake. On this document he signs to say that he will be able to work this extra land (with what he already had) profitably.
There are a number of entries in Sands Directory - the most recent that I saw:
Victorian Directory (Sands) 1942
Charles Squire, farmer, Mortlake
If he's still listed in Mortlake in 1942 it seems unlikely that he would be enlisting in Hay in the same year - however, Sands directories aren't always accurate.
I came across this one as well but it's in NSW (nearish to Hay), perhaps he's the one enlisting in 1942.
1919 Squire, Charles, Rock Grove, Darlington station hand
Edit to add:
Birth registration which fits date of WW2 enlistment and also age given in WW1 papers:
Judith
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Addition re baptism:
At St James' church, parish of Holy Trinity, Kingston upon Hull
Baptism 30 May 1894, Birth date 04 May 1894
Charles Albert
Parents: Louisa, Walter George, surname: Squire
Address: 14 xxxxx Place?, William St,
I can't read the father's occupation.
This is the address given as the birthplace of Charles Squire who enrolled in WW1 in Australia.
Oh my - this chap! ??? ::)
Judith
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"04 May 1894"
It is also the birth day and month given on his ww2 record with Anita as wife.
The year is given as 1892 instead of 1894.
Same bloke. Pretty sure.
Same parents as on your baptism finding died in North Sydney.
Anita lived in North Sydney.
Sue
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Thanks Judith and Sue you are on the right track at one point I thought he might have returned to England but unable to find any travel details. All the detail on his war record are correct. I know he used Chas rather than Charlie sometimes. Thanks again for your help
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I think you're right Sue, it's the same man - I made that comment before I'd gone further and found the corroborating facts.
None of our business ::) (although much of genealogy seems to be minding other people's business ;D) but it's intriguing that he moved quite a way from Mortlake where he seemed to reside for a long time and used the surname with the added 's' while the records in Victoria are almost always without the 's'.
Judith
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The death shown by Cass would be him, given the baptism record and Victoria's comment.
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?11
SQUIRES CHARLES 24813/1947
parents: WALTER, LOUISE
registered: GRENFELL
I think this drills down to DOD 4.12.1947
Find a grave
Charles Squires Birth unknown Death 1947
Burial Grenfell Cemetery Grenfell, Weddin Shire, New South Wales, Australia
Plot Presbyterian Section 17 Row H
The informant knew him well enough to know his parents' names
Judith
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Is this him? NO - later newspaper reports give the sheep breeder's forename - Clive Squire
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115912444
Grenfell show report, October 1947
LONG WOOL SHEEP SECTION:
'Tarradalo' Cup for competition in the Border Leicester section, .. which was won by Mr. C. Squire, who is a consistent competitor at the show.
Judith
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None of our business ::) (although much of genealogy seems to be minding other people's business ;D) but it's intriguing that he moved quite a way from Mortlake where he seemed to reside for a long time and used the surname with the added 's' while the records in Victoria are almost always without the 's'.
Judith
Well people make their own life choices and we do not know how long his wife Minnie had been in Ballarat or how long in the "Mental Hospital " there where she died in 1948.
One has the impression that one or the other of them moved on at some point and Charles partnered with Anita before he joined the WW2 forces.
They left the remote NSW area and both died in Sydney.
[ EDIT here.]
I have just been reminded that GRENFELL where Charles died, is definitely not a part of Sydney. It is a town in the Central West of NSW. So apologies.
A transcription of Charles' Death certificate would tell you more ,Victoria.
Depends how important the details are to you.
Sue
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I think this Electoral Roll entry is also him - I discounted it because I mixed up Darlington in Victoria and in NSW.
1919 Squire, Charles, Rock Grove, Darlington station hand
Rock Station is in Darlington, Victoria and in 1924 it was owned by various members of the Dowling family.
Judith
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It is interesting to note with that 1919 Electoral Roll sighting, Judith, that the Federal Election was held late December of that year and so the roll prepared and ready prior to that day.
On his WW2 enlistment, Charles gives his marriage date as 24 December 1919.
(wrong bride not withstanding!)
So, we do not see Minnie with him on the roll at this point.
She can be seen with her own family at home in Geelong.
(Details available if you need them , Victoria)
Sue
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Thanks everyone for your help. I think I will apply for death certificates might solve the mystery. Will post again with any relevant information.
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Good idea Victoria. :)
I did note that this transcription agent.....(cheaper option and perfectly valid)...has a little special currently.
Over on the right of the screen ;D
https://www.nswtranscriptions.com.au/
And do let us know what you see on it.
Sue
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Thanks Sue.