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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: k_faz22 on Sunday 25 January 26 19:57 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am currently researching Catherine Owen who was living at 17 deans court Bangor 1881,1891,1901,1911
Can anyone tell me the history of Deans Court as I am finding it hard to find any information.
Has it changed names over the years?
I am hoping finding more information will help me track back to trace the correct Catherine Owen. Who her husband was and parents.
Thank you for any info?
Kelly
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Deans Court is off Dean Street in Bangor on the 1899 25 inch map. It looks as if the area has been remodelled by the 1940s. Gwynedd Archives would maybe be the best people to contact regarding its history.
Ray
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Verification
Get a copy of the marriage certificate of William Nicholson to Ellen Owen reg. 1876 Bangor
You will get her father's name, witnesses who may be family and her former name that appears to be Pritchard.
Children with William Nicholson from GRO Index
Louisa Nicholson reg 1879 Bangor mother's maiden name Pritchard
William Nickolson reg. 1881 Bangor mother's maiden name Prichard
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The marriage certificate is on ancestry 19 June 1876 Cathedral Church Bangor.
William Nicholson 33 Fisherman father John Nicholson - silk weaver
Ellen Owen 27 - Widow, father Owen Pritchard - Stone Mason
Witness Robert Williams and Cadwalader Jones
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1851 Census - Infant Lane Bangor
Owen Prichard 35 Stone Mason born Bangor
Catherine 37
Ann 15
Owen 13
William 9
Catherine 7
Ellin 2
Hugh 3 months
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I'm just expanding upon Raybistre's reply #1
Deans Court on the 1888 Town Plan
https://maps.nls.uk/view/228800432#zoom=4.4&lat=4880&lon=10516&layers=BT
Same, but overlaid on a modern street map, slide the slider at bottom left to reveal:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.0&lat=53.22951&lon=-4.12500&layers=117746211&b=osm&o=90
Still shown on this 1913 map
https://maps.nls.uk/view/135191851#zoom=6.2&lat=7698&lon=11856&layers=BT
The most recent BNA hit for "Deans Court Bangor" is from 1934 (the earliest is 1864)
In 1892, advertised for sale along with several other properties in the vicinity, the freehold of "Five cottages, Nos. 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17, DEAN'S COURT, Bangor"
Dean's Court appears in an address search at FindMyPast in 1881-1921 inclusive but since it appears in newspapers in 1864 (above) presumably the absence from 1871 is an error at FindMyPast. And Brook Row, the street immediately to the west of Dean's Court appears as early as 1841.
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29 June 1934: Caernarvon & Denbigh Herald
Slum Clearance Schemes.
INQUIRY AT BANGOR.
At Bangor last week Mr. R. D. Jones held an inquiry on behalf of the Health Ministry, into an application of the City Council to confirm certain orders made by the Council under the Housing Act of 1930.
The slum clearance orders of the Council affected five areas in the city, with eighty four houses and 424 persons. The areas affected are Cae Bach, Arvonia-terrace, and Hendrwen-road, in Glandda; Roberts-place, in Garth ; and Well-street, Dean's Court, Brook-row, Dean Street, and Garden-square in the centre of the town.
Mr Elwyn Jones in presenting the case for the City Council, said the orders under discussion were the first instalment of the Council's five-year programme for slum clearances. The Council had undertaken the task of clearing the town of unhealthy areas with vision and energy. The entire plan proposed the demolition of 560 houses, and the rehousing of 2,160 people. The Council had endeavoured to observe the rightful interests of the owners of property.
Evidence was given for the City Council by Dr. Lewis Travis (M. O. H.), Mr. Price Davies (Borough Surveyor), and Mr. T. Rogers Jones (Borough Sanitary Inspector).
OBJECTIONS.
On behalf of Mr. Edward Hogan, the owner of Nos. 5 and 6, Cae Bach and 1, 2, 3, and 4, Arvon Terrace, Mr. F. W. Pozzi objected to the confirmation of the orders. Mr. Hogan was prepared to spend a reasonable amount in putting the houses referred to in a reasonable state of repair.
It was pointed out that, according to vital statistics put in evidence, the rate of infantile mortality and infectious diseases was very low in the locality referred to, and it was contended that the houses were not injurious to the health of the inhabitants.
Mr. W. A. Morgan appeared for the owner of houses in Garden-square and Dean's Court, and he also objected to the confirmation of the orders.
Mr. H. Crebbin, appearing for the owners of property at Robert's-place, said those houses commanded a wonderful view of the bay.
A number of objectors appeared in person.
The inspector said he would make a personal visit to the property affected.
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You mention "... history of Dean's Court...". Couple of hits on Welshnewspapers. One, I think, mentions an Owen.
One in Welsh about neglecting children - not Qwen.
https://newspapers.library.wales/search?rows=10&page=1&sort=score&order=desc&alt=&query=%22deans%20court%22&range[min]=1804-01-01T00:00:00Z&range[max]=1919-12-31T00:00:00Z
Added - URL not delivering. So, just pop "Dean's Court" (including " ") in Search,
https://newspapers.library.wales/
Try search key "Dean Court" also.
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You could try "Welsh Journals". Same again just pop "Dean's Court" in Search - 27 hits.
Note - I am not trying to associate with the surname Owen, just info re "Dean's Court"
https://journals.library.wales/
NOTE - you could try searching Welsh newspapers for your "rellie" but you'll appreciate it's a very common name - more hits than you can shake a stick at. That's when the filters might help.
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This 1834 map pre-dates Dean's Court - shows Drum Street and an early Brook Row.
https://viewer.library.wales/4669575#?xywh=1851%2C3143%2C3438%2C1463
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I am a little confused as to where Ellen Owen fits in?
Is this the 1881 Census for Catherine?
No 17 Deans Court, Bangor
Catherine Owens 46 Head Widow
John Owens 23 Son Unm Pork Butcher
Robert Owens 16 Son Unm Pork Butcher
All born Bangor
And 1901 same address:
Catherine Owen 69 Head Widow born Llanfar P G, Anglesey
Robert Owen 23 Grandson
1871 Catherine is Married, a Nurse, living in a Surgeons Household, born c 1834 Bangor.
1861 we have;
5 Deans Court
Robert Owens 34 Head Mar Labourer
Catherine Owens 26 Wife Mar born Llanfair, Anglesey
Elizabeth Owens 5 Daughter
John Owens 3 Son
Ellen Owens 14 Servant
David Owens 21 Lodger
1891 Catherine has Sons Methusalem and Robert with her;
OWENS, METHUSALEM mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 546
OWENS, ROBERT mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 519
OWENS, JOHN mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 463
1871 Census
Robert Owens 46 Head
Elizabeth Owens 15 Daughter
John Owens 12 Son
Jane Owens 10 Daughter
Methrusalem Owens 8 Son
Robert Owens 6 Son
Image has Mother away working as a Nurse
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Methuslem OWENS Baptism 01 Jun 1862 St Deiniol - Cathedral, Bangor
Parents ROBERT/CATHERINE Father a Labourer
Abode Dean St
(FreeREG)
Only Bapt I can see on there to them.
Although 1861 has 2 children to Robert/Catherine it appears they may not have married until 1860
FreeBMD has June 1860 Reg;
Owens Robert Carnarvon 11b 889
Williams Catherine same reg
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I am a little confused as to where Ellen Owen fits in?
Is this the 1881 Census for Catherine?
No 17 Deans Court, Bangor
Catherine Owens 46 Head Widow
John Owens 23 Son Unm Pork Butcher
Robert Owens 16 Son Unm Pork Butcher
All born Bangor
And 1901 same address:
Catherine Owen 69 Head Widow born Llanfar P G, Anglesey
Robert Owen 23 Grandson
1871 Catherine is Married, a Nurse, living in a Surgeons Household, born c 1834 Bangor.
1861 we have;
5 Deans Court
Robert Owens 34 Head Mar Labourer
Catherine Owens 26 Wife Mar born Llanfair, Anglesey
Elizabeth Owens 5 Daughter
John Owens 3 Son
Ellen Owens 14 Servant
David Owens 21 Lodger
1891 Catherine has Sons Methusalem and Robert with her;
OWENS, METHUSALEM mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 546
OWENS, ROBERT mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 519
OWENS, JOHN mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 463
1871 Census
Robert Owens 46 Head
Elizabeth Owens 15 Daughter
John Owens 12 Son
Jane Owens 10 Daughter
Methrusalem Owens 8 Son
Robert Owens 6 Son
Image has Mother away working as a Nurse
Thank you so much for all the help.
Ellen is a bit of a confusing one. I will have to keep a look out for her name during my family tree search and see if she shows up again
Catherine can be found 1881 at 17 deans court Widow birth 1835
Living with her
John son 23 born 1858 Pork butcher
Robert son 16 born 1865 Pork butcher
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I think I have found a possible marriage for Catherine and Robert earlier than 1860
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You could try "Welsh Journals". Same again just pop "Dean's Court" in Search - 27 hits.
Note - I am not trying to associate with the surname Owen, just info re "Dean's Court"
https://journals.library.wales/
NOTE - you could try searching Welsh newspapers for your "rellie" but you'll appreciate it's a very common name - more hits than you can shake a stick at. That's when the filters might help.
Thank you for helping pointing in the right direction with searching.
You are right it is a very common surname which doesn’t help 🤪🤪
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Yes that Marriage looks more likely :)