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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Discoveringmypast on Saturday 24 January 26 12:18 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Following lots of help and information from RootsChat members a while ago, I found the correct line of a branch of my ancestry and was delighted to discover my 4x great grandparents were Joannis Barry and Anstice Connel who were apparently from Cork, Ireland. It looks like they arrived in Bristol around 1809 as their son, Thomas, was baptised there in a Catholic Church. I’ve managed to follow his line (with one or two issues to check) but at the moment I’m focusing on his parents as I’ve not been able to find them in Bristol in the 1841 census or burial records after their approximate arrival around 1809. I would also love to find out anything about them in Ireland (and their ancestors) prior to them arriving in Bristol.
Below is the information I have, I’m not sure however how or if it would be possible to find further information about this Irish line and wondered if anyone could help?
4x great grandparents
Joannis Barry
Anstice Connel
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Their son: (my 3x great grandfather)
Thomas Barry
Thomas’ Catholic baptism 2nd Feb 1809, St Mary on the Quay, Colston Avenue, Bristol (it also stated he was born 16th Jan 1809 – I’m not sure if his birth was in Bristol or Ireland but in the 1841-1861 census he put Ireland).
Thomas married Harriet Derrick in 1831. I found a marriage between Thomas Barry and Harriett Derrick on 11th April 1831 in the same Catholic Church, St Mary on the Quay, Colston Avenue, Bristol and also in a CofE Church in Backwell, Somerset a week or so earlier on 3rd April 1831. (I've not had much luck researching Harriet Derrick either.)
Any help or advice about Joannis Barry and Anstice Connel would be really appreciated!
P.S. Hope I’m posting this in the correct place.
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They are both fairly common names. John Barry and Anastasia Connell.
I think you might be unlucky time-wise in relation to getting any records in Ireland.
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Thank you for your reply!
Yes I thought it would be difficult but having not had to research Irish ancestors before I thought I would ask in case anyone had any knowledge.
But thank you for confirming the English version of their names, I knew Joannis would be John but didn't know what Anstice was. It may help me find some records in Bristol for them, more children baptised etc.
Best wishes
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As Dublin says, you are search quite common names.
I have found this in the indexes on one site and here is the record.
St Peter and St Paul, Cork
Transcribed as Thomas, 5th June 1796 but looks like July.
Thos? , Jno Barry and Anstey Connel - Veal Lane
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633088?locale=en#page/142/mode/1up
How do you know their origins are Cork?
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Thanks for your reply.
Their son Thomas put in Ireland in the 1841 and 1851 censuses but Cork, Ireland in 1861.
His baptism in Bristol was 2nd Feb 1809 but his birth recorded as 16th Jan 1809 so a short window for them to have travelled over to England, I don't know how long it would have taken in the 1800s.
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If by any chance that 1796 birth was called Thomas and it was the right couple, the child may have died and a second child named after him.
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Yes thanks, I was just thinking the same thing!
It might help to find another child they had who had lived but I've not had much luck with that either.
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Thank you for your reply!
Yes I thought it would be difficult but having not had to research Irish ancestors before I thought I would ask in case anyone had any knowledge.
But thank you for confirming the English version of their names, I knew Joannis would be John but didn't know what Anstice was. It may help me find some records in Bristol for them, more children baptised etc.
Best wishes
Have you found Jacobus/James and Anna Maria - Clifton, 1812 and 1814. Motherhas become Anne
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Hi hanes teulu
Apologies for the delay in replying. No, I hadn't found those baptisms, thank you so much, that's brilliant, mother's name shortening to become Anne makes sense.
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There is a burial record in 1836, St James, Bristol.
John Barry, 82 yrs , St Peter’s Hospital.
It looks as though it was the workhouse or asylum.
Also, he would be quite old as a father for those later baptisms.
There is also a burial record, St George, Brandon hill - April 1836
John Barry, 63 yrs of Frog Lane
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Thank you heywood, they are possible burials. It's difficult to confirm as it's just a bit too early to order a death certificate.
I was hoping either Joannis or Anstice had lived until the 1841 census but that was a long shot.
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Those deaths were before civil records so you wouldn’t get any death certificate anyway.
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On a slightly different note, in a Catholic bapstism if the father's name is written as 'Edwini', does that translate to Edward or Edwin please?
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It would be Eduardus usually or Eduardi if it is meaning ‘of Edward’.
I have seen Edward and Edmund used interchangeably for the same name in records also.
I think Edwin is more unusual - but that is just me!
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Thank you everyone for your help with this.
I've spent the past few days going back over my ancestors that I know are correct, trying to find the Barry possible Irish connection. I'm not sure where to turn as the information I've found, previously and now, don't tie-up. Or I'm missing something obvious by looking at it so much!
Should I do a new post with a new subject heading asking for help with the info I've got (it's quite a bit), or post here? I thought it may be clearer if I do a new one?
Thank you :)
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If you think it best to begin again with a new thread, just provide a link to this one and explain.
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Thank you heywood, I will do that.