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Title: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Sunday 18 January 26 11:03 GMT (UK)
I've just come across Doctor as a given name, and thought it might be a mistranscribed name, but no, looking at FreeBMD, there are quite a few over the years, and mostly in Lancashire.  Some are quite recent too.

Is it a corruption of another name, or is it the parent's ambition for their child?  Apparently the name is banned in NZ due to problems with confusion.  Understandably!
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Sunday 18 January 26 11:18 GMT (UK)
This could explain a family anecdote - 'his father was a doctor'.  Maybe his name not his occupation?
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: heywood on Sunday 18 January 26 11:26 GMT (UK)
Online sources state that it was often given to the seventh son born in the family.
I hope this link works
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u5u/
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: AlanBoyd on Sunday 18 January 26 11:28 GMT (UK)
Slightly different from Heywood; my recollection (no source as yet) is that it was given to the seventh son of a seventh son.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Sunday 18 January 26 11:38 GMT (UK)
Interesting - why though?  BTW there is a paywall for that link. Perhaps it has the reason there.

Edit: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26855313

Another edit: even more here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0015587X.2019.1618068
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: AlanBoyd on Sunday 18 January 26 12:07 GMT (UK)
2 July 1909: Dartmouth & South Hams chronicle
Quote
WITCHCRAFT SURVIVALS.
Remarkable stories of the prevalence of witch. craft in Somerset and of strange medical beliefs common in the county were told at a meeting of teachers at Bury, near Dulverton, on Saturday.

Dr. Sydenham, Dulverton, said that herbalists and white witches were still living among them, to say nothing of “The Doctor" or seventh son. The belief was widely held that whooping-cough could be cured by by placing the sufferer on the ground in a sheepfold; epilepsy by procuring silver coins from friends and having them made into a necklace or bracelet to be worn by the sufferer, and hemorrhage and burns by the chanting of a strange prayer. A seventh son, especially if he were the seventh son of a seventh son, was as much sought after in some parishes as if he were a Harley-street specialist. His patients were attended on Sunday mornings, after fasting, the cure being by touch and prayer.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Sunday 18 January 26 12:16 GMT (UK)
Wonderful.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: mrcakey on Sunday 18 January 26 12:29 GMT (UK)
Now listening to Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden  ;D
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Sunday 18 January 26 13:12 GMT (UK)
 ;D
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 19 January 26 08:44 GMT (UK)
There's a Doctor Septimus W Howson born in 1876 in Blackburn, so looks like that one would be a 7th son. 
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Monday 19 January 26 09:19 GMT (UK)
Septimus also meaning 7th. Perhaps Doctor Septimus means 7th of the 7th?
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 19 January 26 10:44 GMT (UK)
So far only 5 earlier brothers, but one may have died between censuses

added
got all 6 now - two Fredericks, presumably firs tone died.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 19 January 26 14:15 GMT (UK)
I see that Doctor Who (?) got married in Lewisham in 1994!

I can't see any birth by that name so I wonder if this person had changed their name by deed poll!
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 19 January 26 14:23 GMT (UK)
I see that Doctor Who (?) got married in Lewisham in 1994!

I can't see any birth by that name so I wonder if this person had changed their name by deed poll!

I haven't seen birth records for Gallifrey on line yet
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: J.J. on Monday 19 January 26 14:35 GMT (UK)
Now listening to Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden  ;D
  Ha, good one, mrcakey!
  Wonder if these counted...as I just looked for Docter "misspells" on FreeBmd and got 79 results... ;D

*added:  ;) ValJJJ! Looking at the same day for marriage there's also a reference to David Robertson who is also the Dr. Who, above? Others on page as well:
Freeman...  Agyemang...and other repeated names including real names for some duplications.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Wednesday 21 January 26 09:25 GMT (UK)
Lots of Doctor surnames too on FreeBMD.

This is putting a new light on 'his father was a doctor'.  ;D  Perhaps 'his father was a Doctor'?
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: Andrew Tarr on Wednesday 21 January 26 09:44 GMT (UK)
So far only 5 earlier brothers, but one may have died between censuses. 
In my wife's tree there is a 19th-century Robinson family with 7 brothers AND 7 sisters.  Don't know whether the father was a seventh son (don't think so) but a few of the later births were from a second wife.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: ValJJJ on Wednesday 21 January 26 09:51 GMT (UK)
Any Doctors? Or were they not Lancashire people?  Second wife's children might not have counted? Literally.  ;D
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: Andrew Tarr on Wednesday 21 January 26 12:49 GMT (UK)
They were a Suffolk family, many of whom scattered around England to spread the load.  No Doctors or Septimi anywhere as far as I know.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 21 January 26 15:50 GMT (UK)
I didn't have the link handy when I posted that reference to ValJJJ's "Doctor Who" FreeBmd find,  but obviously the groom was a huge fan as he wants his name associated with the series in other ways as well. His rather unnerving concept of blending facial recognition using all Drs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-25466389
https://www.york.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2016/research/dr-who-new-companion/
The other name I referred to is Dr. Who's assistant (actress). How is it that someone at the GRO allowed them all to name themselves more than once!?? 
There may be other references among the "18" results on the Doctor Who FreeBMD result page


Now listening to Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden  ;D
  Ha, good one, mrcakey!
  Wonder if these counted...as I just looked for Docter "misspells" on FreeBmd and got 79 results... ;D

*added:  ;) ValJJJ! Looking at the same day for marriage there's also a reference to David Robertson who is also the Dr. Who, above? Others on page as well:
Freeman...  Agyemang...and other repeated names including real names for some duplications.
Title: Re: Doctor as a given name
Post by: shanreagh on Sunday 25 January 26 10:05 GMT (UK)
I've just come across Doctor as a given name, and thought it might be a mistranscribed name, but no, looking at FreeBMD, there are quite a few over the years, and mostly in Lancashire.  Some are quite recent too.

Is it a corruption of another name, or is it the parent's ambition for their child?  Apparently the name is banned in NZ due to problems with confusion.  Understandably!

Not doubting that NZ has a restriction but this must have happened relatively recently.  I went to boarding school in the late 1960s, in NZ,  and at that time at the brother boarding school there was at least one Doctor, we knew him as Doc. He came from a family where this name had been passed down.  I think this had come about originally after being named for someone in early Colonial days.   I have read of others in NZ over the years.