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I am researching a Thomas “Lundy” who died at Horton Mental Hospital in Epsom in 1952, aged about 75.
His death record reveals that he was a retired Messenger at the Board of Trade, and that his home was at 176 Westbourne Grove, London W11.
Electoral Rolls reveal that his surname was registered as Lundie, that he had previously lived at 14 Fairfax Road, Hampstead from 1945 and that until 1947 there was a Juliette Lundie at the same address.
Juliette was his wife and she died in 1947 aged 51. Her death registration records that Thomas was then a Stationery Clerk at the Board of Trade.
Juliette does not appear in any published UK records prior to 1945, and I can find no record of their marriage. Neither she nor Thomas appear in the 1939 Register. Had they come to the UK during the war? Was she French or Belgian perhaps?
Board of Trade ….was he ex Royal Navy or Merchant Marine perhaps?
I've looked at the Thomas Lundie born in Grimsby in 1877 but the 1921 census for his son Jack (John Ivor born 1914) is noted "Father Dead", and the son's 1936 marriage record also records that his father was deceased.
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Hi,
Someone to look at,
Thomas LUNDY
Age: 34
Occupation: Clerk
Arrival date: 18 Jan 1913
Port of Embarkation: Freemantle
Landed: Tilbury
Country of Last Permanent Residence: Australia
Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence: England
Ship name: ?sterley
Ship departure port: Brisbane
Ship destination port: London
Regards,
Daisy
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The ship was the Osterley and between Brisbane and Fremantle stopped at Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. Presuming this Thomas boarded at the nearest port to his residence, I would guess he might have lived in WA. But no sign of him on WA birth records.
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I've looked at the Thomas Lundie born in Grimsby in 1877 but the 1921 census for his son Jack (John Ivor born 1914) is noted "Father Dead", and the son's 1936 marriage record also records that his father was deceased.
Assuming his mother was Olga Cynthia Cuthbert before marriage, have you checked her status in 1921?
Have you found Thomas's death record? Could he have deserted the family?
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Assuming his mother was Olga Cynthia Cuthbert before marriage, have you checked her status in 1921?
Yes - Olga Cynthia Lundie is at her apartment in Maybury Mansions, Marylebone, where she has lived since 1919 (per the electoral rolls) under her stage name Olga Berry. She lists her status as married, and her occupation as film actress. The census form is addressed to "Mr Berry". Shortly after this she marries a Turkish diplomat, Ahmet Naci Kenter, and she spends the rest of her life in Istanbul, where she has six children.
Have you found Thomas's death record? Could he have deserted the family?
No, I have not been able to find a death record for him, and it is quite possible that he had deserted the family. But would Olga have told her 7 year old son that his father was dead if she wasn't sure ?
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Was the child in an orphanage in 1921? Maybe the death information was given or assumed when the child was taken in there.
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It might be some sort of school. Maybe she told her son his father had died to account for the fact he wasn't on the scene. The marriage was Q4 1914, don't now actual date, but I suspect the son's birth was less than 9 months after, maybe she was deserted by Thomas soon after marriage.
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Just filling in some history on Olga
"Ahmet Naci Bey , was a promising foreign service officer working at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. During the Lausanne Peace Conference in 1922, he served as the Private Secretary to İsmet İnönü. When World War I broke out, he was studying at Glasgow University in Scotland and wanted to return to Turkey, but at the insistence of his father, Mehmet Galip Bey, he moved to London and began working at the embassy there. However, fate intervened; instead of becoming an electrical engineer, he became a diplomat at his father's suggestion. At a party given by a friend, he met the love of his life: the beautiful young English woman, Olga Cynthia . After a short courtship in 1920, he married her. Ahmet Naci Bey, his wife, and their three-year-old son, Jack, traveled from England to France. From Paris, they boarded the Orient Express , operated by the Wagon-Li Company , enjoying a pleasant train journey to Turkey."
"The fact that the bride was Christian, and had been married before and was a widow with one child, did not please her mother-in-law, Nuriye Hanım, at all."
https://sanatatak.com/tiyatro/yildiz-kenterin-ailesi-ve-cocuklugu/
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Was the child in an orphanage in 1921?
He was at a convent school in Ramsgate (Westcliff). The only male in the convent.
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Was the Thomas Lundie born in Grimsby in 1877 definitely the husband of Olga and father of Jack (John Ivor born 1914) ?
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There is a Thomas Lundie age 32 b Lincoln on the 1911 census as a lodger in Chiswick with the Harriss
family. Mr Harriss may have misheard Lincolnshire for Lincoln when asking his lodger his place of birth when he had to fill in the census form. Occupation gunmaker's assistant, but it looks as though clerk was written first and crossed out. If this is the Thomas from Grimsby, it does put him in the London area just prior to marriage.
The only way to be certain is the marriage cert for Olga.
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There is a Thomas Lundie age 32 b Lincoln on the 1911 census as a lodger in Chiswick with the Harriss
family. Mr Harriss may have misheard Lincolnshire for Lincoln when asking his lodger his place of birth when he had to fill in the census form. Occupation gunmaker's assistant, but it looks as though clerk was written first and crossed out. If this is the Thomas from Grimsby, it does put him in the London area just prior to marriage.
Yes we think that is probably Thomas from Grimsby. We have been sent a copy of a 1915 letter rejecting his application for a position in the Army Ordnance Department, which would tie in with him having some knowledge of gunmaking. The letter is addressed to T Lundie, 150 Brixton Hill. There is a similar letter rejecting his application to join the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.
These letters came from a family connection in France, who also placed him (presumably in military service) at Etaples in 1918, at Camiers in 1919, and in Abbeville in 1920. At present I have no further information from that source.
Regarding his activities in London prior to his marriage, there are newspaper reports of a Thomas Lundie aged 36 acting as doorman for an illegal casino at 92 Knightsbridge, raided by the police in March 1913. His occupation was stated to be "agent" and his address as Park Road, Regents Park.
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I have to confess to being a bit lost with Thomas Lundy, but in case he is the father of John Ivor, I have done some research on him, (John) and it is not the happiest of stories.
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I have to confess to being a bit lost with Thomas Lundy, but in case he is the father of John Ivor, I have done some research on him, (John) and it is not the happiest of stories.
If you have seen the press report of his attempted suicide in 1934, you will have seen that his mother in Istanbul had been cabled, but there is no mention of his father.
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I did see that. It was the mention of him being a lone boy in the convent in Ramsgate that set me off!
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Just logging some info on army service of the Thomas Lundie born in Grimsby in 1877. Unusually, the 1914-15 Royal Army Service Corps, Canteen Section, medal roll includes an address which enables him to be identified.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/5119/records/3619152
Acting Sergeant Major Thomas Lundie, 652 (later number A/391666). The address (19 Church Road, Southend) is that of his wife's grandmother Thirza Marsh Baker Davis.
Mrs Davis (alias Madame Kiero) is quite an interesting character. Her occupation in the 1911 census is "Occult Science". She was fined in 1912 for deception in her activity as a palm reader.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/1c35109b-a61c-4a49-87db-7713e96a8b54
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Had a look at the Lundie family; father Thomas dies 1877 and they move to the London area after 1881 from Lincs. Louisa Mary Lundie (MN Tateson as all 4 childrens births are on the GRO) is not easy to find but luckily she is here 1891
3 York Place, St. Marylebone with Catherine and Clara,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u92/
There is also a UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 for
Thomas Lundie born 1877 Great Grimsby Certificate Number 032026
The address on his certificate is 3 York Place, born 17th Feb 1877.
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3 York Place, St. Marylebone with Catherine and Clara
Yes, Louisa Lundie was running an upmarket boarding house there in the 1890s. Still there in the 1899 PO Directory but gone by 1901 (she had moved to Hastings).