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Title: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: slewis on Saturday 17 January 26 14:18 GMT (UK)
Hi I am still trying to find Lewis Levine born about 1829 in Shorditch, London, Middlesex
he was my 2x greatgrandfather.
In 1849 he married Ellen Butler in Liverpool, on the wedding cert it says his father was Lewis Levine a  greengrocer.
I have no idea were he was in 1841 if any one can help I would really appreciate  it .
Ive been looking for a long time .
kind regards Sue
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 17 January 26 14:31 GMT (UK)
What was his occupation on the marriage certificate?
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 17 January 26 14:37 GMT (UK)
What was his occupation on the marriage certificate?
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Occupation "Tailor

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Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 17 January 26 14:37 GMT (UK)
Is this family related surname transcribed Sevenes

1841 Piece   706
Folio   38
Page number   21
Holywell Lane Shoreditch
Lewis 35 occ tailor
Caroline 35
Sarah 10
Martha 9
Betsy 7
July 3
Morriss 5
Alfred 1
All born in this county

Edit to add birth reg
LEVENE, ALFRED       mmn LEVY 
GRO Reference: 1840  J Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT  Volume 02  Page 364

Lewis Levene
Electoral Date   1845
Street Address   47, Holy Well-Lane
Ward or Division/Constituency   St Leonard Shoreditch
County or Borough   Tower Hamlets, England
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 17 January 26 14:40 GMT (UK)
1851
Piece   2181
Folio   890
Page number   5

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Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: slewis on Saturday 17 January 26 15:18 GMT (UK)
Hi thanks for your help Lewis father was a greengrocer, and Lewis is  tailor on his that’s why I thought his dad would be too, I found Lewis a tailor with wife Caroline in 1841 but no Lewis but like I said on the wedding certificate his dad is down as a greengrocer and.
Kind regards Sue
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 17 January 26 15:43 GMT (UK)
Hi thanks for your help Lewis father was a greengrocer, and Lewis is  tailor on his that’s why I thought his dad would be too, I found Lewis a tailor with wife Caroline in 1841 but no Lewis but like I said on the wedding certificate his dad is down as a greengrocer and.
Kind regards Sue

Both seem pretty elusive on 1841 census  :-\
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 17 January 26 16:01 GMT (UK)
Posting this census entry with two persons together named Lewis difficult to makeout surname not found any of them on 1851 census  ???

Lewis Helbling Age   40 occ Merchant
Where born   Foreign Parts
Civil parish   Allhallows London Wall
Hundred   London Within the Walls
County/Island   Middlesex
Registration District   London
Piece   719
Folio   41
Page number   30
Household Members
 Lewis 15
Fredk 12
Both born in this county

EDIT to add

There is a Frederick HEBLING born 1829 Hoxton, Middlesex on 1861 census  ???

Piece   368
Folio   351
Page number   12

Added - Frederic Adolph Robison Helbling Birth 9 Feb 1829
Baptism 11 Jun 1829 Saint Leonards,Shoreditch,London
Father   Lewis Peter Joseph Helbling Mother    Jane

Will take another look to see if there’s another Lewis & Lewis together
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: slewis on Saturday 17 January 26 16:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Ladyhawk thanks for your help  Young .Lewis at some point moved to Liverpool before 1849 when he married and lived there until he died.
Kind regards Sue
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: amondg on Saturday 17 January 26 17:43 GMT (UK)
Who was Ellen age 5 born circa 1845 on the 1851 census?

Lewis and her mother Ellen married 31 December 1849 St Thomas, Liverpool.
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: amondg on Saturday 17 January 26 18:14 GMT (UK)
Except for  child named Lewis 1862 all other children were baptised R C at various churches in Liverpool.

For Alfred 1856 his father is named as Ludovici Levine

Have you tried Jewish Gen website


Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: slewis on Saturday 17 January 26 21:56 GMT (UK)
Hi sorry I can’t explain Ellen born in 1845 all I know fore sure is her sister MaryLouisa born 1858 is my great grandmother. As for Alfred it could be a family name my gran had a brother Alfred,  and my gran was brought up RC yet my mum was Church of England.
Thanks for all your help regards Sue
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: amondg on Saturday 17 January 26 22:33 GMT (UK)
Just in case

Children of Lewis and Ellen Levine

John reg. 1850
Joseph reg 1852
Lewis Henry reg. 1853
Alfred reg. 1856
Mary reg. 1858  (bap. Maria Louisa)
Rachel Ellen reg. 1860
Lewis reg. 1862
William Andrew reg. 1865
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: amondg on Saturday 17 January 26 22:54 GMT (UK)
Finally found them in 1861 Liverpool

Ancestry has transcribed the name as Devine

Lewis 35 -- Out Fitter
Ellen 33
Alfred 5
Mary 2 1/2
Rachel 1

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Son John died 1851 age 0
Son Joseph died 1854 age 2
Son Lewis Henry died 1859 age 5

Possible death for 2nd son Lewis born 27 December 1862  death reg 1864 age 2
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: amondg on Saturday 17 January 26 23:16 GMT (UK)
Son William Andrew Levine born 13 December 1865 died 1893 age 27
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: slewis on Sunday 18 January 26 12:26 GMT (UK)
Hi amondg, thank you for all your time and help
 I have been looking for Lewis and his parents for years I have found Lewis an Ellen with family in Liverpool, but trying to pin his parents down or a birth for him is a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack there just dosent  seem to be any record of them.

on ancestry there are a few trees a Lewis Levine a tailor wife caroline living in Shoreditch but no child Lewis,
 another has a Lewis Lavine  greengrocer no wife name but son Lewis who married Ellen Butler but no records about parents so Im guessing they are stuck like me.

I would like to thank every one who has tried to help me I really do appreciate it.
kind regards Sue
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: amondg on Sunday 18 January 26 20:06 GMT (UK)
Look at the 1841 census for Shoreditch.

There are pages of German Jews listed at the Hospital including Lewis Levine with siblings.

The Jewish faith keep very good records of those displaced as I mentioned before try

https://www.jewishgen.org

Lewis may noy have told the truth on his marriage certificate especially as he married a Catholic girl
who raised the children as R C.
Title: Re: Hi help please With Lewis Levine in 1841
Post by: slewis on Sunday 18 January 26 22:05 GMT (UK)
Hi amondg
Thank you so much I have just joined the site so I will able to see what I can find when they get back to me I really appreciate all your help I’ll let you know how I get on.
Thanks again kind regards Sue