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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Hare1959 on Wednesday 14 January 26 17:14 GMT (UK)
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I'm wondering if anyone can help me. My father's oldest maternal great aunt is proving illusive. Elizabeth Gibbs (daughter of Charles and Ann Gibbs nee James) was born on 21 April 1867 in Merthyr Tydfil. Her name was registered as Lizzie but she appears on the 1871 and 1881 census as Elizabeth. On the two census the family is living in Cardiff. I have traced all Elizabeth's siblings.
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Did Elizabeth possibly have a learning difficulty. The 1881 census records she is at home (dependant upon parents. Wondering if she was placed later in life in an Asylum.
SS
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I have noticed there were several Elizabeth Gibbs in the nearest Cardiff workhouse, but it is difficult to know if she is my relative. I have bought several death certificates, but they are not her.
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There's a Charles Gibb aged 12 , parents Charles and Ann. Admitted to Glamorgan workhouse April 1892.
Father Charles Gibbs a mason has deserted the family.
Mother Ann is inmate of workhouse
Last address 55 Wellington Street
1891 Charles elder is a mason. Son Charles is 12.
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On the 1881 Census she resides with the parents and two siblings. Ann born 1871 and Jane born 1873. Alongside Elizabeth name it states At home depends on her parents
Heddwch
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Did Elizabeth possibly have a learning difficulty. The 1881 census records she is at home (dependant upon parents. Wondering if she was placed later in life in an Asylum.
SS
Record type Discharge
Glamorgan county asylum records
Admission date 15 October 1888 ,age 20 Elizabeth Gibbs single
.admission place Cardiff Resident place Ethel Street
Discharge information
Discharge to Parc Gwyllt.
Transcript only :(
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There's an EG (female) aged 33 b Merthyr in the Glamorgan County Lunatic Asylum (aka Parc Hospital) in 1901 - described as a lunatic
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It's intersting that an EG is in the lunatic asylum in Merthyr. Any suggestions how to take this further
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You may have misread this - she's in the Glamorgan Asylum in Bridgend - matching up with the admission record Wilcoxon posted.
The record for "EG" in 1891 has the place of birth recorded as Merthyr, which matches your Elizabeth
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I really need to learn to read :) Any suggestions how I can find out if EG is my Elizabeth Gibbs?
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Is she still there in 1911, she probably was a long term patient. If not try looking for a matching death in that district.
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Elizabeth Gibbs is not listed at Glamorgan County Lunatic Asylum in 1911, the patients are listed alphabetically as full names not just initials. Also, there isn't anyone else there with the initials E.G. that matches up with the 1901 record found by Mabel.
Maybe she died between 1901 and 1911 .
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Glamorgan Archives may be able to help.
Quote from their website below.
"Our volunteers have created an index to case notes for patients at the Asylum, covering the years 1864-1955. Due to the nature of this information access is restricted, contact staff for information and to request a search of the database."
https://glamarchives.gov.uk/collection/indexes-and-transcriptions/asylum/?cn-reloaded=1
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Thank you
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There's a Charles Gibb aged 12 , parents Charles and Ann. Admitted to Glamorgan workhouse April 1892.
Father Charles Gibbs a mason has deserted the family.
Mother Ann is inmate of workhouse
Last address 55 Wellington Street
1891 Charles elder is a mason. Son Charles is 12.
The religion for 12 year old Charles is Baptist, so Non conformist.
Just thought I would add it.
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There's a Charles Gibb aged 12 , parents Charles and Ann. Admitted to Glamorgan workhouse April 1892.
Father Charles Gibbs a mason has deserted the family.
Mother Ann is inmate of workhouse
Last address 55 Wellington Street
1891 Charles elder is a mason. Son Charles is 12.
The religion for 12 year old Charles is Baptist, so Non conformist.
Just thought I would add it.
Interestingly when Charles jnr is in the workhouse later in 1892 and again in 1893, his father is described as being in the workhouse rather than having deserted the family.
There's an anglican baptism for Charles in St Margaret's Roath in 1880 - son of Charles (a mason) and Ann
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Thanks for all the info. I am ok with Elizabeth's siblings (I am descended from her sister Ann). It's just Elizabeth being difficult
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This is of interest but now adds another question
Catherine Saunders death was registered at Bridgend. 1902. So if Elizabeth Gibbs died in the Asylum why is her death not also registered Bridgend.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/land-sale-2000-bodies-unmarked-24392940
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She may have been moved to another institution - I think accessing the asylum records via the Glamorgan archive link posted by Jool might be your best option
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Dear everyone
thank you so much for your help.
I have found her. She was, indeed, sent to the asylum. Glamorgan archives have sent me the information and it makes very sad reading. I am so glad I did this. Nobody deserves to be forgotten.
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How sad, but at least you found her and she has been remembered.
Is there a death record for her.
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Pleased you can put a closer on her life , be it a sad one
SS
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There is a problem with the death as Glamorgan archives have sent some information about two Elizabeth Gibbs. My Elizabeth was sent to Glamorgan Asylum in 1888 suffering from epilepsy. However the other Elizabeth was sent to Parc Gwyt with dementia where she died in 1896 at the age of 64. So I still have a bit of digging to do
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Glamorgan Asylum and Parc Gwyllt are the same place
I'm wondering if you've read the notes correctly, as I can;t see an Elizabeth Gibbs death in 1896 that matches.
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The Elizabeth Gibbs that died in 1896 was in her 60s when she died. My Elizabeth would have been 29 in 1896
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The notes that Glamorgan archives sent me that do relate to my Elizabeth states she was moved to Parc Gwylit in 1889.
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So at the moment I don't know what happened to my Elizabeth after 1889
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The Elizabeth Gibbs that died in 1896 was in her 60s when she died. My Elizabeth would have been 29 in 1896
That's why I'm confused. I can only find one death registration for an Elizabeth Gibbs in her 60s in 1896, and she's in Northumberland
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Annoying isn't it? I'm beginning to wonder if once you went into an asylum. Nobody bothered with you again and deaths weren't officially registered.
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Dear all. Thank you so much for all your help. Elizabeth's story is now complete. She was transferred from Parc Gwylit to Haywards Heath Asylum in Sussex in March 1904. She sadly died there in December 1904. Death seems to be connected with her epilepsy.
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Fantastic you solved it well done
Heddwch
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I did wonder if it might be something like that. And also where was she in 1901?
It's a long way to transfer her, given she was first admitted via the workhouse so presumably being funded by the local union. Is there a family connection with Sussex ?
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I take it she was still at Parc Gwytil in 1901. Glamorgan archives are sending me the details. No Connection with Sussex
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https://sussexasylumsburialgrounds.org/the-people/
The workhouses in the County of Sussex (and a few other workhouses from other counties) according to the Last Place of Abode entries in the burial registers, tell us that 22.51% of the people buried in the cemetery were admitted to St. Francis Hospital from a workhouse.
About 95% of the people in the cemetery had their Last Place of Abode listed in their burial record as being in somewhere in Sussex. Occasionally through the period in which St. Francis Hospital was functioning of people came into the hospital in groups from other hospitals or even Workhouses that were in other counties. An example of this was in the very early 20th century when 110 patients arrived in St. Francis Hospital from Cardiff in 1904 where the Cardiff City Asylum did not open until 1908 and mental health beds were badly needed because the Cardiff Workhouse and the Glamorgan Asylum were overcrowded in 1904, presumably with people with mental health difficulties. St. Francis Hospital had the space to take these patients as the new East Sussex Asylum at Hellingly near Eastbourne opened in 1903. As this Asylum opened it took East Sussex residents from St. Francis Hospital, which by chance released patient beds which came in very useful when beds were needed by the Cardiff patients, who were duly drafted in. Quite a few of these Cardiff people must have been in poor physical shape as by the end of March 1908 53 of the people, almost 50% in the 1904 draft, were dead and buried in St. Francis Hospital cemetery. But as stated earlier 95% of the people in St. Francis cemetery came from Sussex.