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Title: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: the raven on Sunday 11 January 26 17:35 GMT (UK)
Hello everyone in Essex ...this could be a long shot but im trying to trace a grave/ headstone or any information for a friend of mine who's looking for a relative of his .
The only details he has is the following
Elsie may Owen born in Holyhead early 1920s  who married a Thomas Gardiner around 1945/6 and ha a daughter called Valerie f Gardiner
Elsie may passed away in 1998 in the frinton on sea  area ..any assistance would be greatly appreciated it
Thanks
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 11 January 26 17:58 GMT (UK)
Could this be the marriage  :-\
June qtr 1945

Gardener    Thomas    (spouse Owen)   
Owen    May F    (spouse Gardener)   
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 11 January 26 18:08 GMT (UK)
Possibly

Births Sep 1921   
Owens    Marella F    Owens    Holyhead    11b   856

Name   Marella Frances Gardiner
Death Age   76

Birth Date   15 Jul 1921
Registration Date   Mar 1998
Registration District   Colchester
Inferred County   Essex
Register Number   C71C
District and Subdistrict   4691C
Entry Number   230

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with Thomas in 1966

Name   Marella F. Gardiner
Electoral Date   1966
Street Address   4 Gaywood Road
County or Borough   Waltham Forest, England
Registration Place   Walthamstow East, Hoe Street

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added--appears as Marella OWENS in 1939.
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 11 January 26 18:28 GMT (UK)
1939
Marella F Owens b 15 May 1921 .
Working at Station Hotel Holyhead.
No alternative/ married name giiven .

Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 11 January 26 18:35 GMT (UK)
For info.

North Wales BMD daughter has middle name Frances born 1946 Bangor
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: the raven on Sunday 11 January 26 19:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone for your replies...spoke to my friend and he reckons the marella Francis Gardiner is the one as the name is different but date wise and the reference to walthemstow is  correct as that where she lived ...
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: the raven on Sunday 11 January 26 19:28 GMT (UK)
He confirmed that she did indeed work in the station hotel in Holyhead...
Now to find if she has a burial plot and headstone he can visit
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 11 January 26 19:37 GMT (UK)
Is anything known about Thomas Gardiner,

There's also a chance that she was cremated.

I found nothing in the newspapers about her death and nothing on Findawill.
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: the raven on Sunday 11 January 26 20:25 GMT (UK)
Is anything known about Thomas Gardiner,

There's also a chance that she was cremated.

I found nothing in the newspapers about her death and nothing on Findawill.
all that is known about Thomas is that during the ww2 is that he was stationed on Anglesey  possibly you ty croes camp...then move to London area and worked for the gpo ...sorry for the sketchy info
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 11 January 26 20:56 GMT (UK)
Possible?

Thomas Gardiner
Age   66
Birth Date    24 Sep 1918
Death Registration    Nov 1984
Waltham Forest  Vol 15 p662
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: the raven on Sunday 11 January 26 21:23 GMT (UK)
Possible?

Thomas Gardiner
Age   66
Birth Date    24 Sep 1918
Death Registration    Nov 1984
Waltham Forest  Vol 15 p662



Thank you..it's coming together for my friend
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 11 January 26 22:08 GMT (UK)
Is anything known about Thomas Gardiner,

There's also a chance that she was cremated.

I found nothing in the newspapers about her death and nothing on Findawill.
all that is known about Thomas is that during the ww2 is that he was stationed on Anglesey  possibly you ty croes camp...then move to London area and worked for the gpo ...sorry for the sketchy info

Oh yes, I do know Ty Croes well, as you can see from my profile I like bikes.
My husband raced at Ty Croes in 1992/3 when the first motorcycle cycle meeting was held by the Wirral 100 Club.
Absolutely no help at all. 🏍
Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 11 January 26 23:08 GMT (UK)
Possible?

Thomas Gardiner
Age   66
Birth Date    24 Sep 1918
Death Registration    Nov 1984
Waltham Forest  Vol 15 p662

Possible baptism he has same dob

Thomas Gardiner
Birth 24 Sep 1918
Baptism 27 Oct 1918 Walthamstow, St Saviour, Formerly St James, Essex
Father    Frederick Gardiner Mother   Agnes

Added Dec 1918  Gardiner    Thomas   mn George W.Ham    4a   540    

1921 census family living in Walthamstow
Thomas Gardiner b1918 Walthamstow, Essex

1911 Street Address   64 Talbot Road, Isleworth
Frederick Gardiner 34 Head occ  Telegraph Lineman G P O Engineering Department
Agnes Gardiner   29   Wife
Ethel Mary Gardiner 6 Daughter
Alice May Gardiner 4 Daughter
Frederick Ronald Gardiner 4 mths Son

Parents marriage entry

Registration Quarter   Apr-May-Jun 1904
Registration District   Edmonton Middlesex Volume   3a Page   989
Frederick Gardiner
Other names on same page
Agnes Rodgers George
Hugh John Hughes
Margaret Ellen Owen

Edit to add for info

Frederick Gardiner Pension Age   60
Record Type   Pension
Birth Date   13 Jun 1876
Other Appointment Date   1 Jan 1935
Appointment Place   City of London, United Kingdom
Employment Start Date   16 May 1901
Pension Date   1936
Occupation   Skilled Workman Class II
Employer   UK Post Office
Work Place   Engineering Department, Post Office
UK, Royal Mail Pension and Gratuity Records, 1834-1970

Frederick Gardiner
Born  13 June 1876
Baptism Date   16 Jun 1876 Saint Mary, Hornsey: Cranley Gardens, Haringey
Father   Frederick Gardiner occ Alexander Palace Game keeper
Mother   Emma abode 1 The Don Cottage







Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: softly softly on Monday 12 January 26 07:19 GMT (UK)
The daughter named married a mr Williams and FindMyPast has 2008-16 electoral register of her living in frinton on sea Essex

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Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 12 January 26 09:38 GMT (UK)

A little more
1939 6 Somers Road, Wanstead and Woodford.Essex
Frederick Gardiner married b 13 June 1876
Telephone lines man retired.
Maud A Gardiner b 14 June 1888.

No sign of Thomas Gardiner.

Title: Re: Elsie may Gardiner
Post by: softly softly on Monday 12 January 26 09:41 GMT (UK)
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Parents in Holyhead in 1921 census at address on birth certificate.