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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: petey22 on Wednesday 07 January 26 13:18 GMT (UK)
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dear all,
I am try to view the parish reg. Baptisms at St. Andrew's, Plaistow to search for any extra information/ clues for my Grandfather: Henry George Evans, born 23-06-1918, Plaistow, Mother Annie Evans. He next appears in the 1921 Census at Central Home, Leyton, West Ham, aged 2 years 8 months, parents deceased.
I have been informed that he was baptised at St. Andrew, Plaistow in between these 2 dates on 09-05-1919 and am hoping that there may be some wonderfully tantalising clues on this baptism entry i.e. a fathers name or any witnesses ::)
The Essex register office wants me to throw oodles of cash at them before I can even see if the entry even exists :-\ So I am hoping that there is another option to view the St. Andrew parish reg for baptisms ,,,,,, any suggestions ?
all the best Petey ::)
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Just curious, do you have his birth certificate or does the date of birth come from something else
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Yes, the dob. comes from his birth certificate
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Who told you he was baptised on 9.5.19 & how do they know if it’s not online?
There are only 2 other ways such a specific date would be known & that’s either by the person having the original certificate or by viewing the original record.
If either of those examples apply - the person should be able to tell you whether there was any info about his father.
EDIT - FOUND ON FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WMG4-5NZM?lang=en
If a father was named on the entry - it would presumably appear on the above transcription
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Hi Carole,
I received the date of the baptism some time ago from someone on Genes-reunited, but unfortunately they no longer are active on that site. The thought of extra information only came to me only recently.
I hadn't looked on Family search and agree that the Fathers name would have been mentioned so I can only hope that a witness is named ,,,,,,
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FindMyPast also has the transcription with residence 167 New Barn St.
This is from
Record Set Essex Baptisms
Archive Essex Record Office
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Baptisms were not witnessed in the way marriages are. Catholic baptisms show god parents names etc but the C of E ones generally just show the date of baptism & in some cases the actual birthdate.
They show the name of the parents & in the case of an illegitimate birth some churches will show her as unmarried or as a “single person”. Then it’s just the name of the person performing the baptism
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FindMyPast also has the transcription with residence 167 New Barn St.
This is from
Record Set Essex Baptisms
Archive Essex Record Office
Well, that confirms the adress on the birth certificate which is fantastic !!! many thanks for that :D
Then I definately need a copy of this and shall have to throw oodles of cash at the Essex records office ,,,,,,
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Is this his death?
Henry George Evans d aged 80 registered Feb 1998 Aylesbury Vale RD
b 23 Jun 1917
Register Number C21C
District and Subdistrict 3241C
Entry Number 13
SS
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Is this his death?
Name Henry George Evans
Death Age 80
[80]
Birth Date 23 Jun 1917
Registration Date Feb 1998
Registration District Aylesbury Vale
Inferred County Buckinghamshire
Register Number C21C
District and Subdistrict 3241C
Entry Number 13
SS
yes that's his death,,,,, I'm trying to find him in 1939 now.
He didn't marry until 1940 so he will be single.
In 1940 he gives the address; the Barracks, Townsend lane?, Kingsbury, NW3.
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The fact he married in Hendon strongly suggests he was "Military" of some nature. That being the case he would not be recorded in 1939 register.
SS
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The fact he married in Hendon strongly suggests he was "Military" of some nature. That being the case he would not be recorded in 1939 register.
SS
OK, thanks for that (something I didn't know)
I have sent a mail to Archives local studies at Newham.gov with an inquiry as to any possible records from Central Home, Leyton, West Ham that may exist which may reveal how my grandfather grew up and when he left the institution.
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I see Catherine was living in Hendon with mother and siblings in 1939.
SS
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Then I definately need a copy of this and shall have to throw oodles of cash at the Essex records office
Why? If you want to look at the FindMyPast transcription check if your local library has free access or take out a free trial on FindMyPast.
You will be wasting whatever fee Essex RO charge as the original record is not going to give a fathers name or any witnesses names. It's extremely unlikely you will get any more info than is available online.
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I see Catherine was living in Hendon with mother and siblings in 1939.
SS
I am having trouble finding that, is it on Family search?
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Not on Familysearch sadly. Both Ancestry and FindMyPast
SS
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Unfortunately posting restrictions apply to the 1939 register so we are only able to give details that are available from the free index.
Check with your local library to see if they have free access to either -or both - Ancestry & FindMyPast
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Hello CaroleW,
thank you, I do realize that there are posting restrictions, I actually have recent access to Ancestry (unfortunately not FindMyPast) and for some reason, I guess lack of experience with Ancestry cannot find the 1939 entry?
I was going to concentrate on Henry George Evans firstly until I had found all I could and then go on to Catherine Jane Bell but now, due to the comment from SS: 'I see Catherine was living in Hendon with mother and siblings in 1939', I am curious as yo why father Armstrong Bell is not mentioned.
Anyway, back to fumbling around with Ancestry ::)
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Father Armstrong was strangely in Kent in 1939, same occupation as 1921 census,
SS
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I actually managed to find the entry today first attempt, no idea what I did wrong yesterday :-\ ?
Anyway, one question arises: on the 1939 census, some name have been blanked out with the message' This record is officially closed' What is the reason for this?
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"This record is officially closed" implies that the person is currently still alive.
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Going by the 3 children listed in 1939 their place of birth was Easington with mmn Carr. The redated enrty is probably another daughter born 1937.
SS
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Blimey !!! Great Granddad Bell was in Boom and Mizzen !!!! :o