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John DEROLES was born 4 July 1859 in Brighton, Sussex, parents John and Eliza. Baptised at St Nicholas, Brighton on 17 July, father a Purser in the Navy.
Can find his birth reg on FreeBMD but not on the GRO website index.
When his mother Eliza died in Jan 1861 she was a widow, so father John has died between early 1859 and end of 1860. Nothing showing up anywhere for a death, but if he was in the Navy then he might have died somewhere other than England.
In 1861 John was a nurse child, and in 1871 at school. In 1881 he left England for New Zealand, where died in 1934.
There was an older sister Eliza/Lizzie born 1854 in Paddington, London. Can find her in the various census records and she died in Wimbledon in 1937. In 1891, as Lizzie DEROLES, she was in the household of Francis and Emilie WILMOT in Paddington, London. She is indicated as a cousin aged 35.
Can anyone find a marriage anywhere for John and Eliza, or is he just a smokescreen and she was never married. One tree on Ancestry shows her maiden name as EADES but can find nothing on that name either.
An Eliza E DEROLES born 1826 shows up in the 1851 census in St Giles in the Fields, but not sure if that is her or not. She is a widow, born Somerset.
Hoping someone can assist.
Thanks
Ian C
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GRO
John DOWLES
Sept 1859
Brighton
02B 168
mmn Eeles
£3 digital image available
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Thanks Comberton. Just got the image and that is him.
Image is not very clear and mmn could be Eeles, Eales, Edes or Eades.
Father's profession is consistent in everything.
Ian C
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What details are recorded on johns sister Eliza birth certificate?
SS
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What details are recorded on johns sister Eliza birth certificate?
SS
Haven't found hers yet.
Ian C
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In 1891, as Lizzie DEROLES, she was in the household of Francis and Emilie WILMOT in Paddington, London. She is indicated as a cousin aged 35.
Francis WILMOT and Emilie VAUGHAN married in 1870. His father was Foley WILMOT, Gentleman, and hers was Phillip VAUGHAN, Gentleman.
Debra :D
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VAUGHAN, EMILY
Mother's maiden surname: EADES
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 11 Page 121
Marriages Dec 1842
EADES, Ann
VAUGHAN, Philip
Bristol 11 179
(names on the same page)
Debra :D
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SNAP Dundee.
VAUGHAN, EMILY mmn EADES
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 11 Page 121
Married Francis WILMOT 1870.
Philip VAUGHAN married Ann EADES Dec qtr 1842 Bristol.
Emily VAUGHAN could be a niece of Eliza DEROLES, and therefore the cousin of Eliza DEROLES the daughter in 1891.
Ian C
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Possible ?
John Downing married Elizabeth Eccles St Andrew Plymouth Devon 4 may 1845
He is a Mariner on HMS Caledonia
His father Joseph - Carpenter
Her father also Joseph - Mariner
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Ann EADES was baptised in 1814 in Butleigh, Somerset, daughter of William, a labourer, and Elizabeth. They also had a daughter named Eliza baptised in 1820.
Debra :D
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Ann EADES baptised 1 May 1814, Butleigh Somerset, d/o William and Elizabeth
Eliza EADES baptised 1 Oct 1820, Butleigh Somerset, d/o William and Elizabeth. William a stone-mason
Ann EADES father in marriage to Philip VAUGHAN on 20 Dec 1842 at St Paul Bristol was William a stonemason
Ian C
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deleted, info known
SS
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Had a look in the newspapers for the name and the only thing I could find was Eliza's death notice in a couple of London papers in 1861.
She did also appear in a London Directory in 1860, running a lodging house at 25 Welbeck St, Cavendish Square, which is where she died.
Ian C
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Also found the daughter Lizzie returning to England from New Zealand in early 1922. She may have been there during 1921 census. Haven't found her leaving England as yet either so she may have left prior to 1901 as can't find her in 1901 or 1911 either.
Ian C
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FindMyPast has a passport application for a miss L DEROLES in 1888and a sailing in October 1920 to NZ 1920
SS
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Thanks SS. That'll be why she is not in the 1921 census.
Ian C