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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: smithy on Monday 05 January 26 00:39 GMT (UK)
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Good morning from Australia,
I cannot find any information about Arthur Ernest Thornton born 1889 Wolverhampton Staffordshire, Father James and mother Matilda Bowdler On the census for 1891 with his parents James Thornton my ggg grandfather and his wife Matilda. On the 1901 he is with his mother as James had passed away in 1894. On the 1911 census he is with Matilda in Oldham Lancashire, (This family mis transcribed as Thomson) 1921 census still with his mother Matilda age 32yrs in Oldham. There are other family members also on the censuses. Cannot find any other information after 1921 for Arthur Ernest.
I have put this on Lancashire board and not Staffordshire as most likely that's where he stayed.
Grateful for any help at all
Regards
Smithy
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There is a death in Dec qtr 1969 giving a birth date of 1st November 1888. Do you have his actual birth date as his birth was registered 1st quarter 1889 which could include a November 1888 birth date. The death was North Bucks.
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Brother Thomas Luke died 1935 does the obituary name the family?
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FindMyPast
School admission records 1898 Heath Town mixed Junior School - Wolverhampton
Ernest Thornton DOB 1 February 1889 mother Matilda
Address Spinks Buildings
Last School Wesleyan - CORRECTED
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James her husband must have been R C as Margaret Jane was bap. RC 6 October 1883
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Happy new year
SS
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Happy new year
SS
Thanks for that SoftlySoftly! that is definitely the right one so good to see an actual certificate!
Regards Smithy
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FindMyPast
School admission records 1898 Heath Town mixed Junior School - Wolverhampton
Ernest Thornton DOB 1 February 1889 mother Matilda
Address Spinks Buildings
Last School Wesleyan - CORRECTED
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James her husband must have been R C as Margaret Jane was bap. RC 6 October 1883
Thanks so much for that information Yes James was RC. I haven't as yet done much research on Arthur's siblings so Im grateful for the information
Regards Smithy
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There is a death in Dec qtr 1969 giving a birth date of 1st November 1888. Do you have his actual birth date as his birth was registered 1st quarter 1889 which could include a November 1888 birth date. The death was North Bucks.
Hi Rosie99, unfortunately there were two Arthur Ernest Thorntons born about the same time I think this one in North Bucks married Annie Wenman, I suspect this one may not be the same as the one from Sts and Oldham. Thank you so much for taking the time to look
Regards
Smithy
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Background information
Lottie Matilda Bowdler married James Gardner 1870 Reg. Clun
They had Louisa re. 1871 reg. Clun
Matilda moves in with James Thornton circa 1874
They had John James Thornton reg. 1875 Wolverhampton he died age 19 Buried 10 April 1896 of Spinks Buildings.
Thomas Luke Thornton 1877 he married Jane Short 1902 he died 1935
*James Thornton marries Matilda Gardner 1880 reg. Wolverhampton
Caroline Matilda Thornton 1881 married Frederick Bardsley 7 march 1903
Margaret Jane Thornton 1883
Frederick Walter Thornton 1886 bap 10 December 1885
Arthur Ernest Thornton 1889 bap 17 February 1889
Adelaide Daisy Thornton 1891 died 1892 age 0
The illegitimate grand daughter Irene May Halloran Thornton reg. 1901 married Cecil Graham 1926 reg. Oldham Lancs.
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This is not much help really, but I thought I would post anyway.
I can’t find the family in 1901 and 1911.
However, in 1921, there is a granddaughter, Irene M Thornton. Presumably she is a daughter of Caroline or Margaret?
GRO has her birth as Irene May Halleren Thornton - no mother’s surname.
When she marries in Oldham in 1925, she marries with that full name but gives her father as ‘Arthur Thornton’, soldier deceased.
It would seem as though she has combined two men - uncle Arthur and perhaps Mr Halleren, was a soldier.
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Thanks for that SoftlySoftly! that is definitely the right one so good to see an actual certificate!
Regards Smithy
In case you are unaware some birth and death certificate copies like the one SS has provided are available from the GRO as a digital image for £3, they are available immediately ;)
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Hi Rosie99, unfortunately there were two Arthur Ernest Thorntons born about the same time I think this one in NorthBucks married Annie Wenman, I suspect this one may not be the same as the one from Sts and Oldham. Thank you so much for taking the time to look
Regards
Smithy
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Smithy, On this occasion I think you are incorrect in your thinking, I can see why you think as you have. Whilst the marriage of Arthur E Thornton to Annie Wenman took place in Winslow, Bucks this is not your Arthur. They married there as this was Elizabeth's home parish.
Births Jun 1896
Wenman Elizabeth Annie Winslow 3a 780
Births Jun 1890
Thornton Arthur Ernest Watford 3a 552 dob 25th April 1890.
1921 Arthur by himself--occupation casual Lather as per 1911 census
Elizabeth Annie with son (John Tassy Thornton) at her parents in Winslow recorded as Thoruton
war register
Ernest A Thorton 25 Apr 1889 Male Lather Hand Married
The 3 children on the war register are all Thornton/Wenman births.
Death
Deaths Mar 1958
THORNTON Ernest A 67 Watford 4b 342
Probate below. Address as per war register
So I believe the death found originally is correct.
SS
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Final offering, believe Arthur can be found in war register at
20 Carrington Road, Aylesbury, Aylesbury M.B., Buckinghamshire, England
FindMyPast has---Carrest A (Arthur E)
In 1921 he would appear to have an engineering background and war register is similar.
SS
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Hi Rosie99, unfortunately there were two Arthur Ernest Thorntons born about the same time I think this one in NorthBucks married Annie Wenman, I suspect this one may not be the same as the one from Sts and Oldham. Thank you so much for taking the time to look
Regards
Smithy
Smithy, On this occasion I think you are incorrect in your thinking, I can see why you think as you have. Whilst the marriage of Arthur E Thornton to Annie Wenman took place in Winslow, Bucks this is not your Arthur. They married there as this was Elizabeth's home parish.
Births Jun 1896
Wenman Elizabeth Annie Winslow 3a 780
Births Jun 1890
Thornton Arthur Ernest Watford 3a 552 dob 25th April 1890.
1921 Arthur by himself--occupation casual Lather as per 1911 census
Elizabeth Annie with son (John Tassy Thornton) at her parents in Winslow recorded as Thoruton
war register
Ernest A Thorton 25 Apr 1889 Male Lather Hand Married
The 3 children on the war register are all Thornton/Wenman births.
Death
Deaths Mar 1958
THORNTON Ernest A 67 Watford 4b 342
Probate below. Address as per war register
So I believe the death found originally is correct.
SS
[/quote] Hi SS, I have Arthur on the 1921 census with his mother Matilda and niece Irene living at 122 Cranbrook Rd. Oldham.(RG15/Piece No.19795)
The other Arthur Ernest Married Annie E. Wenman in 1918.
Thanks so much for the look ups you have done
Regards,
Smithy
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Background information
Lottie Matilda Bowdler married James Gardner 1870 Reg. Clun
They had Louisa re. 1871 reg. Clun
Matilda moves in with James Thornton circa 1874
They had John James Thornton reg. 1875 Wolverhampton he died age 19 Buried 10 April 1896 of Spinks Buildings.
Thomas Luke Thornton 1877 he married Jane Short 1902 he died 1935
*James Thornton marries Matilda Gardner 1880 reg. Wolverhampton
Caroline Matilda Thornton 1881 married Frederick Bardsley 7 march 1903
Margaret Jane Thornton 1883
Frederick Walter Thornton 1886 bap 10 December 1885
Arthur Ernest Thornton 1889 bap 17 February 1889
Adelaide Daisy Thornton 1891 died 1892 age 0
The illegitimate grand dauggghter Irene May Halloran Thornton reg. 1901 married Cecil Graham 1926 reg. Oldham Lancs.
Hi amondg.Thanks so much for the lookups yes I do have that information
Regards
Smithy
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I tought a possible good candidate too (see Softly's post above) was the Ernest Arthur Thornton living at 20 Carrington Road with the Wheeler family b 4 Nov 1889.
He is still at that address in at least 1956 according to electoral registers.
Described in a funeral notice for Leonard George Wheeler in 1943 as a friend.
Cathy
Still on list there in 1967 with a Kate E Wheeler but not 1968. Down as Arthur Ernest Thornton. Possibly in Redfield old people's home in Winslow in 1968, would be interesting to see if that might be the Arthur who died in 1969.