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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Ann Baker on Friday 02 January 26 04:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
This one is horrible - I've looked and looked for 20+ years and got not very far at all. It's a bit of a multi ask because it covers 3 generations so let me explain.
John Fulton was my gt x3 grandfather. He married Henrietta Dollar (don't know where or when). His son Robert is my current mystery man.
Robert married Janet Faulds in 1843 in Barony, Glasgow (Janet was from Bridgeton). They had several children some of which didn't make it past infancy sadly.
What am I trying to find out?
1. I can't find any baptism for Robert. Apart from 1861 where there is no census return (see below) he was consistent throughout with his age and saying he was born in Beith Ayrshire ( not a record for him to be found, not just in Beith). This all points to being born c 1818. He died in Bridgeton in 1886 and I have his death cert.
2. Robert's children. He married Janet Faulds in 1843 (Barony) but according to the census they seemed to move about a wee bit and kids not all born there. They had 9 children in all but 4 of them didn't make it past infancy and those are the ones I'm trying to find.
On daughter Agnes born 1855's birth cert it states 1 living daughter (that's Henrietta named after her grandma Henrietta Dollar) who was born 1845 and 3 x deceased males and 1 x deceased female. Then there's a gap where the missing 3 males and 1 female who didn't make it are. The next is Agnes 1 1855 followed by Mary, George and another Agnes who was born in Rutherglen and Robert is described again as a foundry labourer (Agnes 2 born 1866 is my gt x 2).
So I'm trying to find out who the 4 were who didn't make it and George's baptism. This is where it gets odd.
3. Robert came from a weaving community in Ayrshire but then appears in Glasgow as a foundry worker. That bit I'm assuming he moved to get work as a lot did in the mid 1880s.However his daughter Mary born in 1859 was born in Liverpool. And then George born 1861/62 in Ireland (no idea where and can't find him but might explain why there's no census for them for 1861).
Why would someone move away from Glasgow where there must have been work given Glasgow's proximity to the Lanarkshire coalfields elsewhere at that time? That one is a mystery as this family don't have any obvious Irish connections.
Sorry that was a bit of a ramble. It's all a bit complicated and I hope I've explained it properly.
Thanks
Ann
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"Robert married Janet Faulds in 1843 in Barony, Glasgow "
Do you see this family in the 1851 Census?. Can you give the names ages, birthplaces and address of the 1851 Census entry.
Do you see this family in the 1871 Census?. Can you give the names ages, birthplaces and address of the 1871 Census entry.
You have a birth record for Agnes, daughter of Robert FULTON and Janet, 1855?
Can you list all the information on this document please....everything on the document please.
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Hi
1851 listing
Family living at 38 Cheapside Street, Glasgow.
Robert Fulton aged 32, Labourer Foundry born Ayr, Beith
Janet Fulton aged 26 born Lanarkshire Barony
Henrietta aged 6, Scholar, born Lanarkshire Barony
1871
Family living 131 Canning St, Calton Parish, Glasgow
Robert Fulton aged 53, Labourer Foundry, born Ayrshire, Beith
Janet aged 46 (Wife) Millworker, Born Lanarkshire, Glasgow
Mary, Daughter aged 12, Scholar, Born England (I have found a record for her in Liverpool)
George, Son aged 10, Scholar, Born Ireland
Agnes, Daughter aged 4, Scholar, born Rutherglen (This is Agnes 2 my gt x 2 grandma)
Birth record for Agnes
Born 8/9/1866, 81 king St Rutherglen, county of Lanark.
Parents Robert Fulton - Foundry Labourer
Janet Fulton (MS Foulds)
Married 1843 June 22nd Glasgow
On the 1881 Janet & Robert were still living at 131 Canning St. Her age is reported as 56 (born Glasgow) and Robert 63 (Still stating born Beith Ayrshire)
Mother signed it
Registrar Archibald Gilchrist and registered 24/9/1866 at Rutherglen
Thanks
Ann
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I think you have an 1855 birth record_?
Can you list all the information on the 1855 birth certificate.
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1855 one - won't let me upload the snippet but I have already given you the info from there in opening post.
Only thing I didn't say was it's recorded as thier 6th child. Henrietta is the first. So it's the 4 in the gap that are missing.
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Hi,
Have you looked for Robert’s siblings and his Mother?
She seems to be in the 1841 and 1851 Census records, dying after 1855.
His siblings also, fairly straightforward, search Fulton, mmn Dollar on Scotlands People.
Happy Hunting
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Hi
Yes I have and that's even more elusive. His mum is Henrietta Dollar. Not as simple as you suggest cos you search and nada. I have many times! I've been using SP since it launched what seems like a very long time ago - not a newbie to using it.
Thanks
Ann
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Hi,
Henrietta Fulton - 45 - 1841 - Barony
Henrietta Fulton - 62 - 1851 - Barony
Henrietta Dollar - 70 - 1858 - Partick
Robert Fulton - 68 - 1886 - Bridgeton
George Fulton - 56 - 1882 - Milton
Helen Fulton - 79 - 1903 - Gorbals
I would say these are all relevant?
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They are thank you :) I already have these
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Hi,
Thanks, it would have been useful to know.
You have the answer to why they might travel on the birth certificate of Agnes. He is recorded as a merchant seaman. Also having had several children die young, they may have moved to what they thought were healthier climes.
From the lack of records and the number of “Other” churches in Beith it looks like they may have never registered the births or the records have been lost or not transcribed.
There are also deaths for some of their children, but you probably have these already.
I would suggest DNA is the only way to get past this brick wall, as there seem to be many other earlier Robert Fultons in Beith.
Ps have you looked at any Fulton wills?
Happy Hunting.
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Hi
He's had all sorts of occupations - foundry labourer being the most common one tho it says handloom weaver on his death cert. One of these things we'll never know I suppose.
I have the death certs for the children that survived.
Yes I've looked at the wills. Not a sos unfortunately
Ann
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I wondered if the brick wall could be knocked down by lengthening the surname Fulton to Fullerton which is a surname in the Domesday Book.
One of my ancestors worked in Milton slit Mill, which was part of the Dalnottar Iron Works, making metal tools such as spades, etc..
Ireland had an interest in iron foundries too: The Irish iron industry transitioned from using local charcoal and iron ore resources to importing cheaper English and Scottish pig iron and coke via its ports. I found that my ancestors moved for more money in their pay packets. Presumably working in a foundry would be too much as a man grew older, which could explain why the ancestor went back to the weaving industry.