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Looking for parents of Hubert Henry Jackson, born 14 Feb 1889. He appears on 1891 census as the grandson of Thomas Southall, and a Rebecca Jackson is listed as the housekeeper!! Hubert emigrated to Canada and married Ivy Durkee. I would really like to know who his parents were.
Any help would be most appreciated.
Thanks
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Unless I am missing something I can't find him 2 years 1889
Will look further
LM
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I can't find him in 1901 & no birth reg under Jackson or Southall. John Jackson aged 28 is shown as married but no wife shown
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Found this
Hubert Henry Jackson
Dec qtr 1899.
Martley 6c 274
Is this a coincidence?, birth 10 years out
MMN Sheppy
Usual names I would have thought but thought I would log it
LM
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Was he perhaps a home child and sent to Canada 1897:?
If I have the correct family Rebecca Jackson maiden name Parker
He might have been the child of one of her children
Rebecca is with Thomas Southall on the 1881 census
Rosie
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Birthdate given above is 14.2.1889 which would rule out a birth registered in the December qtr.
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There is a Hubert Jackson aged 8 - departed Liverpool 1897 - ship Assyrian - arrived in Halifax Nova Scotia 15 July 1897.
I cannot find that he travelled with family - only numerous other male children.
Fay
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A tree on Ancestry has his parents as Thomas Jackson & Annie Maud Pierce
Maple - what document do you have which shows his birthdate as 14.2.1889
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I know I was miles out but it was just a coincidence of his Christian names.
LM
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For information, here he is in Wellington St, Birmingham in 1891.
RG12/2398 folio 122 page 24
Thomas Southall Married 44 bn Birmingham
Rebecca Jackson Widow 52 Housekeeper bn Staffordshire
John Jackson Son Married 28 bn Wednesbury, Staffordshire
Clara Jackson Daughter 14 bn Birmingham
Hubert Jackson Grandson 2 bn Birmingham
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I copied Hubert's date of birth from a family member, which I now realise was not a good thing to do.
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Was he perhaps a home child and sent to Canada 1897:?
If I have the correct family Rebecca Jackson maiden name Parker
He might have been the child of one of her children
Rebecca is with Thomas Southall on the 1881 census
Rosie
Added Hubert Jackson aged 8 was with a group of children from Middlemore Children's homes Birmingham 1897
Sent to Canada
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How sad he was sent to Canada, wonder why.
LM
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I copied Hubert's date of birth from a family member, which I now realise was not a good thing to do.
Do you have a copy of his marriage ?
Rosie
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What document has his middle name as Henry? He is just Hubert on the following
1891 census
Passenger list to Canada
1921 & 1931 Canadian censuses
Find a grave headstone
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Unfortunately, I copied his name from another family tree.
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Believe he is recorded as Hebar Jackson born 1889 in 1911 Canada census.
Cape Breton South, Nova Scotia, Canada
Married same area following year
SS
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Following his marriage, he remained on the east coast of Canada. I am researching this info for his grand daughter, she is now 90.
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Believe he is recorded as Hebar Jackson born 1889 in 1911 Canada census.
Cape Breton South, Nova Scotia, Canada
Married same area following year
SS
Nice one I couldn't find him on the 1911 census that must be where the birth comes from Feb 1889
I did find a possibility in the 1901 census but a different birth date
Rosie
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Any father named on his marriage cert?
The tree on Ancestry has his parents as Thomas Jackson & Annie Maude Pierce. Be interesting to know where that info came from as there is no marriage for those names & no birth for an Annie Maude Pierce or Pearce
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Think the tree on Ancestry has got it wrong ;) no other information on the parents and like you CaroleW I couldn't see a marriage either
I also couldn't see a Thomas Jackson or Southall with the family on any census records
Rosie
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For information, here he is in Wellington St, Birmingham in 1891.
RG12/2398 folio 122 page 24
1* Thomas Southall Married 44 bn Birmingham
2* Rebecca Jackson Widow 52 Housekeeper bn Staffordshire
3* John Jackson Son Married 28 bn Wednesbury, Staffordshire
4* Clara Jackson Daughter 14 bn Birmingham
5* Hubert Jackson Grandson 2 bn Birmingham
1* appears as a single man with his mother Clara Smith in 1871
2* Rebecca nee' Parker appears with husband Joseph in 1861 & 1871 census.
3* John Edward Jackson mmn Parker born 1860 Wednesbury--Married on 1891 census Is he Huberts father
4* Clara Jackson NO MMN on gro birth record, suspect she is Thomas Southall's daughter.
SS
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No parents listed on obituary for H Earl Jackson :-\ Don't think this is the right guy. :-\
This seems to be the one married to Ivy
Find a Grave -
Hubert Jackson and Ivy
Doctor John Pringle Memorial Cemetery
Blacketts Lake, Cape Breton County, Nova Scotia.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216112954/hubert-jackson
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216112924/ivy-jackson
There are some obits for children if required.
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Sandra, is that Huberts obituary?
SS
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Softly, thanks for the info from other census'. It is rather confusing as to who is a Jackson or a Southall. I know Hubert had a daughter named Clara.
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Sandra, is that Huberts obituary?
SS
Sorry no I hadnt finished posting but deleted it.
Hubert did name two sons John William and Edward Hubert which might indicate you found the right father :)
Sandra
Note that the death for the son Ralph Carl Jackson is wrong on the ancestry tree, he died 2013 not 2023
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One of Joseph & Rebecca Jackson's children.
JACKSON, ANN mmn PARKER
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 401
Probable birth of a daughter before marriage
JACKSON, CLARA - No mmn
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 465
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Marriages Jun 1893
Jackson Annie Maud King's N. 6c 773
Pearce Thomas King's N. 6c 773
1901 census--124, Back Rolfe Street, Smethwick (Staffordshire), Kings Norton, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Pearce Head Married Male 45 1856 Labourer out of employ Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Annie Pearce Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Derbyshire, England
Clara Pearce Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
James Pearce Son - Male 6 1895 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Alice Pearce Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Bessie Pearce Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
SS
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Marriages Jun 1893
Jackson Annie Maud King's N. 6c 773
Pearce Thomas King's N. 6c 773
1901 census--124, Back Rolfe Street, Smethwick (Staffordshire), Kings Norton, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Pearce Head Married Male 45 1856 Labourer out of employ Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Annie Pearce Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Derbyshire, England
Clara Pearce Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
James Pearce Son - Male 6 1895 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Alice Pearce Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Bessie Pearce Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
SS
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Maybe the few trees on Ancestry got the names round the wrong way
You would think if this is Hubert's parents he would have been with them on the 1901 census
Rosie
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Maybe the few trees on Ancestry got the names round the wrong way
You would think if this is Hubert's parents he would have been with them on the 1901 census
Not if he travelled in 1896/7
SS
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PEARCE, NELLIE mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 217
1891--Halberton Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Pearce Head Married Male 38 1853 Tool grinder Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Annie Pearce Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Derby, Derbyshire, England
Nellie Pearce Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Birmingham
Maybe Hubert was with Rebecca because of birth of Nellie
SS
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There is a birth registered on GRO - JACKSON Henry - no MMN - 1889 Aston Dec Q Vol 06D page 203.
I appreciate we are looking for a birth for Hubert - but Henry is his middle name, maybe the name Hubert was added later.
Fay
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On the 1871 for Wellington Street Birmingham
Thomas Southall 25 Head
Harriet Southall 25 Wife
John Southall 7 Son
Mary J Southall 4 Daughter
William E Southall 2 Son
Rosina Southall 1/12 Daughter
marriage 25 August 1862 Thomas Southall to Harriet Clifton ?
Sandra
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Maybe the few trees on Ancestry got the names round the wrong way
You would think if this is Hubert's parents he would have been with them on the 1901 census
Not if he travelled in 1896/7
SS
That's what I mean surely if he was there son they wouldn't have sent him away
Rosie
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rosie17, I must confess I really do not know the answer. Just wish I could find a suitable birth.
SS
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Record Home Children
Hubert Jackson
Age 8
Departure Liverpool 3/7/1897
Arrival Halifax 15/7/1897
Guardian B N Brundige
Place of settlement Sidnish Cumberland Nova Scotia
Reference Middlemore Children's Emigration Homes
Date of last document 14/12/1906
Might be worth checking further Maple for information
Rosie
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rosie17, I must confess I really do not know the answer. Just wish I could find a suitable birth.
SS
I have been going round in circles looking for a birth :D
Think investigating records from home child is the only answer
Rosie
Rosie
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Makes me winder why this little lad was sent away, very sad in my opinion.
LM
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Makes me winder why this little lad was sent away, very sad in my opinion.
LM
Yes it is very sad for all these young children that had no other option :'(
Rosie
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Record Home Children
Hubert Jackson
Age 8
Departure Liverpool 3/7/1897
Arrival Halifax 15/7/1897
Guardian B N Brundige
Place of settlement Sidnish Cumberland Nova Scotia
Reference Middlemore Children's Emigration Homes
Date of last document 14/12/1906
Might be worth checking further Maple for information
Rosie
The following links may hold further information:
Library and Archives Canada (LAC): Holds a vast collection, including the "Middlemore Home fonds," passenger lists, and correspondence, searchable via their online "Home Children Records" database.
Birmingham Archives and Heritage: Contains original records (admission registers, case files, reports) from 1869-1998, viewable by appointment at the Wolfson Centre for Archival Research.
if you send your enquiry to archives.heritage@birmingham.gov.uk, a member of the team will get back to you.
The Lost Children Project (Thelostchildren.uk): Offers an index of Middlemore children to Canada (1873-1932) and guidance on accessing records.
British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa (BIFHSGO): Provides resources and name search options for Home Children.
Fay
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That's a lot of options Fay think that's the only way forward ;)
Rosie
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That's a lot of options Fay think that's the only way forward ;)
Rosie
Another source to try is https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/ - they have a section specifically on Middlemore Home children. Members have related stories regarding their ancestors and also links/tips as to how they found further information.
Its worth having a look.
Fay
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That's a lot of options Fay think that's the only way forward ;)
Rosie
Another source to try is https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/ - they have a section specifically on Middlemore Home children. Members have related stories regarding their ancestors and also links/tips as to how they found further information.
Its worth having a look.
Fay
It certainly is :)
Rosie
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Taken from #28
PEARCE, NELLIE mmn JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 217
Baptised in Catholic Church --Birmingham, Dudley Road, St Patrick, Warwickshire, England
as Helena Pearce, mmn Jackson
Is it possible Hubert has a Catholic name for a baptism--clutching at straws.
SS
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Thank you so much for all your effort. I will look into the Birmingham link.
As some have mentioned, it is so sad he was placed in a children's home.
Anything is possible with respect his religion, he may well have been catholic!
I just found it strange that Hubert was living with Thomas Southall in 1891 and listed as his grandson, also noticing the housekeeper was Rebecca Jackson. I was curious as to whether Rebecca had a child hat had a relationship with a child of Thomas, hence being listed as a grandson on the census. I did see other children of Thomas and his wife Harriet on earlier census'. Incidentally, Hubert's first daughter was named Clara.
I will keep searching!
Thanks again
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It does look like there is some connection but we don't seem to be able to find where :(
Hope you can find something out by contacting some of the links posted for information
Good Luck and would be interested in what you find
Rosie