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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: liver007 on Friday 26 December 25 16:37 GMT (UK)
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Good afternoon I hope everyone had a nice Christmas day :),
Today I have been checking my family tree and have discovered two more additional names to the tree.
My great grandfather was a theatre manager and travelled between the Birmingham area and then took up a position in Manchester and Liverpool. He would commute between both cities and eventually took over a theatre in Liverpool and eventually lived in the Liverpool area.
My great grandfather and great grandmothers details are:
Henry John Hearn + Sarah Ann Hearn Nee King
DOB: 26 June 1860 DOB: 10 June 1864
Hackney, London Pencoyd, Herefordshire
Died: 27 Nov 1940 Died: 30 May 1927
Liverpool Liverpool
They had 6 children: Albert John Hearn, Harold Hughes Hearn, Sidney Thomas Hearn, Frederick Arthur Hearn, Cyril Arthur Hearn & Richard Hearn.
The two people I uncovered today were Frederick Arthur Hearn 1901-1902, born in Manchester and died in Manchester. The second person was Richard Hearn, and I cannot find any information regarding him. I wonder if anyone can assist or point me in the right direction.
Albert & Harold born in Birmingham, Sidney born Pencoyd, Hereford and my grandad Cyril was born in Liverpool.
I have searched, for Richard, I also suspect he had a middle name, on the free BMD site & no joy.
Kind Regards
Keith
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Where have you got Richard's name from--what document?
SS
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Their marriage was 1883 in London - Kensington
GRO online shows a number of children born in the London area 1883- 1891 surname Hearn with mmn King which you may want to check. Some may have died
They had twins James & Benjamin George in 1884. I made it 9 children 1883-1891 - 3 boys & 6 girls
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Where have you come across Richard?
I can see four trees all of which mention him but none of which have any record at all.
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The 1911 Census shows 9 children born, 4 still alive, 5 died.
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Hi everyone,
I admit I am using Ancestry uk database to fill in my tree and today Richard’s name has appeared as a hint, but there is no other data/documents to substantiate his details.
Keith
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Ancestry hints are just that - hints. They are not facts. The first birth of that name in Lancashire on freebmd is over 60yrs after the 1883 marriage
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CaroleW,
I have obviously learnt a lesson there.
Thanks, and no wonder I haven’t been able to find an entry for Richard’s birth.
I always back BDM with a certificate hence why I needed to find his birth entry.
Keith
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I recognise Hearn as a traveller name. The different birth locations suggest they were moving around, which I would expect with entertainers. Maybe travellers before entertainers. On www.romaheritage.co.uk/parish-records there are 28 Hearn records from 1670 to 1871. There are also 3 newspaper records, though all are earlier than te information you are presently considering.
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Another possible?
Hilda Sallie hearn died aged 6 from burns in 1910, daughter of henry John Hearn, manager of the Metropole theatre, Lower Openshaw.
Other details in Stalybridge Reporter 34th September 1910.
Cathy
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Hi everyone,
Thank you for all the feedback, cath151 I shall follow up your input.
Sounds very much like my Great grandfather say name and yes he was a theatre manager in manchester, I knew nothing about Hilda.
Keith
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To everyone who has helped me regarding the Richard Hearn saga.
I am still searching the free BMD database to find a Richard, so far no joy.
But on a positive note, I have added Hilda Sallie Hearn I have purchased credits on the British Newspapers site and downloaded the Stalybridge Reporter article regarding the circumstances of her tragic death in 1910. Yes her father who was named in the article was my Great Grandfather Henry John Hearn.
As mentioned on the thread I posted I have gone back to the 1911 census and I can clearly see that my great gran, Sarah Ann gave birth to 9 children and sadly 5 children died. So at the moment I am searching for the other 4 children as I can, with your help, account for poor Hilda Hearn.
Thank you for everyone's help and pointing me in the right direction
Regards
Keith
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This them?
HEARN, GEORGE
mmn KING
Q2 1889
ASTON Volume 06D Page 328
HEARN, HARRY WILLIAM
mmn KING
Q3 1886
EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 316
And the twins found earlier by Carole
HEARN, JAMES
HEARN, BENJAMIN GEORGE
mmn KING
Q1 1884
ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 319
Possible deaths
James Hearn Q1 1884
Islington Vol 1b p221
Benjamin George Q3 1885
Islington Vol 1b p188
Harry William Q3 1886
Edmonton Vol 3a p 186
George Q2 1889
Aston Vol 6d p 183
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Thank you Mabel,
it gives me something to investigate tomorrow.
At last I might be able to conclude my great grandads offspring
Regards
Keith
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just to let everyone know, I have had access to the 1910 Stalybridge Reporter newspaper coverage of little Hilda Sallie Hearn's circumstances leading upto her death.
Today I have ordered both her birth certificate and death certificate.
Tomorrow I shall investigate the information Mabel has provided.
Much appreciated everyone.
Keith
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And the twins found earlier by Carole
HEARN, JAMES
HEARN, BENJAMIN GEORGE
mmn KING
Q1 1884
ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 319
Possible deaths
James Hearn Q1 1884
Islington Vol 1b p221
Benjamin George Q3 1885
Islington Vol 1b p188
I don’t see a birth for James on pg 319.
James Hearn birth is Q1 1884 vol 1b pg 347
Is that possible with twins - different page numbers?
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Hi Heywood,
I noticed the same thing, but I have ordered the “twins” birth certificates so I will see when they arrive.
I also noticed in of the twins died a few weeks after birth James, so there may have been a delay in registering his birth.
We shall see.
Regards
Keith
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Never thought about that possibility.
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haywood,
It was just a thought…
Keith
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To everyone involved in providing information regarding the Hearn family.
I have now concluded there was never a Richard Hearn in my family.
I have ordered the Birth and Death certificate for the following:
Hilda Sallie Hearn the twins James and Benjamin George Hearn plus George Hearn. At this time I have not ordered any certificates for Harry William Hearn, I shall wait until I have received the certificates I have recently ordered. They should arrive the second week in January and I will let everyone know if the children are part of my family.
Kind Regards
Keith