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Ruby Gregory was born 25 Nov 1905 and baptized 1st De 1905 at All Saints, Lambeth and she was listed only as the daughter of Adelaide Gregory, no occupation, abode 41 Jeffreys Road which was Clapham Maternity Hospital (later Annie McCall Maternity Hosp).
Ruby married Donald Blane in 1931 in Northamptonshire but for some reason, I cannot find her in either the 1911 or 1921 Census anywhere in England -- can someone else search because I may be missing something that I hadn't thought of ....
I cannot even find an Adelaide Gregory in the area of Lambeth in 1901 or 1911 Census -- what a mystery!!
Thanks for any help and/or suggestions :)
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How about this adopted child in 1911 living at 51 King Edward St, Stantonbury, Bucks
Arthur Rickett 41
Lilz Rickett 43 Wife
Ruby Gregory Rickett 5 Adopted Daughter b Lambeth
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1921 Ruby RICKETT is still with Arthur and Lily, at 88 Cambridge St, Wolverton, Bucks., aged 15 yrs and 7mths.
Ian C
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How about this adopted child in 1911 living at 51 King Edward St, Stantonbury, Bucks
Arthur Rickett 41
Lilz Rickett 43 Wife
Ruby Gregory Rickett 5 Adopted Daughter b Lambeth
YES!! it seems to be her -- thanks :)
It would seem that her single mother, Adelaide Gregory may have died before 1911 since her daughter was adopted by Arthur and Lily so I'll keep looking for her death.
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1921 Ruby RICKETT is still with Arthur and Lily, at 88 Cambridge St, Wolverton, Bucks., aged 15 yrs and 7mths.
Ian C
Yes, it's her!! Page says Wolverton, Bucks. bottom right corner but top left of page says Northamptonshire -- not sure why but in 1931 her marriage was registered in Potterspury Reg Dist in Northamptonshire .... thanks!! :)
It would seem that her single mother, Adelaide Gregory may have died before 1911 since her daughter was adopted by Arthur and Lily so I'll keep looking for her death.
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1921 Ruby RICKETT is still with Arthur and Lily, at 88 Cambridge St, Wolverton, Bucks., aged 15 yrs and 7mths.
Ian C
Sorry, I responded in the wrong spot .... Yes, it's her!! Page says Wolverton, Bucks. bottom right corner but top left of page says Northamptonshire -- not sure why but in 1931 her marriage was registered in Potterspury Reg Dist in Northamptonshire .... thanks!! :)
It would seem that her single mother, Adelaide Gregory may have died before 1911 since her daughter was adopted by Arthur and Lily so I'll keep looking for her death.
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There is an Adelaide Gregory bap 26 December 1880 Born 10 December daughter of Henry and Ann
Gregory. Father Cabinet Maker
They also had
Henry 1874 - died 1874
Ann 1875 died 1875
Louisa 1876 died 1876
Henry Charles 1877 -
John 1879 -
Mary Ann 1880 died 1880
Adelaide 1881 -
All registered Bethnal Green with mother's maiden name Fuller.
1881 Census 7 Badge Buildings Bethnal Green
Henry 34
Ann 29
Henry 3
John 2
Adelaide 3 months
1891 Census
Henry 44
Ann Sarah 39
Henry Charles 13
John 12
Adelaide not with them or not listed she would have been 10 years old
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1881 census could be Brady's Buildings
The system would not let me add to my previous post.
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There is a death registered Dec qtr 1881 for an Adelaide GREGORY in Shoreditch, aged 1.
Could this be the Adelaide born Dec 1880.
Ian C
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Another one
GREGORY, ADELAIDE mmn ELVESTER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1176
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Sibling
GREGORY, FRANCES ELLEN mmn ELVESTER
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1224
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The family also appear to have had this child who died
GREGORY, FLORENCE BURNETT mmn ELVESTER
GRO Ref 1878 D Qter WOOLWICH Vol 01D Page 1084
Given the middle name Burnett I wonder whether this is the family in 1881??
Burnett Gregory 45 Labourer general Ireland
Mary Gregory 28 Ireland
Louise Gregory 8 Ireland
William Gregory Son 1 Charlton, Kent
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Registration Woolwich 1880 March quarter William Gregory mmn Elvester
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10 May 1879. Woolwich Gazette
Inquest death of Florence Burnett Gregory 7 months . Son ? of James Gregory 4 Norris Place Sand Street Woolwich.
Mary Gregory mother.
Little sister Maria Cox
Drunkenness was mentioned for both parents.
Edited as I can't post images
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Adelaide GREGORY the d/o Burnett and Mary was in British Columbia in Canada by 1931 as she married at Victoria as Adelaide HUTCHINSON a widow to Francis PAGET. Image of marriage is on Familysearch, just search for Mary Elvester born 1853. First Husband was Bateman HUTCHINSON
On Findagrave as well
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/220195634/adelaide-paget
According to trees on Ancestry, Ruby and Donald BLANE ended up in British Columbia.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92351167/ruby-blane
Adelaide arrived in BC in 1908 as Mrs Hutchinson.
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Another one
GREGORY, ADELAIDE mmn ELVESTER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1176
If you are looking at this because it's your family I suggest that you get the birth certificate.
Ive found some records but they are really confusing :o I won't post them because they might be totally unrelated.
Happy Christmas all.
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Another one
GREGORY, ADELAIDE mmn ELVESTER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1176
If you are looking at this because it's your family I suggest that you get the birth certificate.
Ive found some records but they are really confusing :o I won't post them because they might be totally unrelated.
Happy Christmas all.
No, I'm not related in any way to any of them but was just doing a RAOGK and "brick walls" are really challenging and I got stuck wanting to try to solve or unravel the puzzle ;)
Adelaide Gregory born 1882 (mother Mary Elvester) who married Bateman Hutchinson - cannot find marriage in all of England for them but have now seen her marriage record in 1931 to Francis Paget where she stated she was a widow.
Merry Christmas all --
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Adelaide GREGORY the d/o Burnett and Mary was in British Columbia in Canada by 1931 as she married at Victoria as Adelaide HUTCHINSON a widow to Francis PAGET. Image of marriage is on Familysearch, just search for Mary Elvester born 1853. First Husband was Bateman HUTCHINSON
On Findagrave as well
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/220195634/adelaide-paget
According to trees on Ancestry, Ruby and Donald BLANE ended up in British Columbia.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92351167/ruby-blane
Adelaide arrived in BC in 1908 as Mrs Hutchinson.
Wow!! A lot of food for research and thought --- yes, it's the Ruby Gregory Blane that I'm working on, as a RAOGK for someone else .... THANKS so much!!
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10 May 1879. Woolwich Gazette
Inquest death of Florence Burnett Gregory 7 months . Son ? of James Gregory 4 Norris Place Sand Street Woolwich.
Mary Gregory mother.
Little sister Maria Cox
Drunkenness was mentioned for both parents.
Edited as I can't post images
Such a sad scenario!! I'll try to find it and thanks so much for all you've shared -- it's much appreciated :)
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Another one
GREGORY, ADELAIDE mmn ELVESTER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1176
If you are looking at this because it's your family I suggest that you get the birth certificate.
Ive found some records but they are really confusing :o I won't post them because they might be totally unrelated.
Happy Christmas all.
No, I'm not related in any way to any of them but was just doing an RAOGK and "brick walls" are really challenging and I got stuck wanting to try to solve or unravel the puzzle ;)
If the Adelaide Gregory who married Elvester was Ruby's mother, you would expect Ruby to have her father's surname since she was born after their marriage??
Merry Christmas all --
That's Adelaide's birth reg not her marriage. Elevester was her mother's maiden name
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No, I'm not related in any way to any of them but was just doing an RAOGK and "brick walls" are really challenging and I got stuck wanting to try to solve or unravel the puzzle
What is RAOGK ?
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Random Act Of Genealogical Kindness
Ian C
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Thanks. Is this a brick wall found on RC ?
Off now to get the carrots for the reindeer and Mince pies and Brandy for the man in red.
Have a good day everyone 🥂
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Thanks. Is this a brick wall found on RC ?
Off now to get the carrots for the reindeer and Mince pies and Brandy for the man in red.
Have a good day everyone 🥂
Ian C. got RAOGK right on!! No, it's not on RC - I found the family on WikiTree and am fascinated by the puzzle and complexities of it so am trying to do what I can to help out and to satisfy by Sherlock Holmes instincts ;)
Happy Christmas to all :)
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"Ruby married Donald Blane in 1931 in Northamptonshire"
Can you list all the information on this marriage certificate please.
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GREGORY, ADELAIDE mmn ELVESTER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1176
That's Adelaide's birth reg not her marriage. Elevester was her mother's maiden name
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I was definitely in dense mode when I first read that posting but did figure it out -- thanks Mabel :)
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"Ruby married Donald Blane in 1931 in Northamptonshire"
Can you list all the information on this marriage certificate please.
I don't have the marriage certificate - but since she married as Ruby Gregory, she obviously knew her birth name even if she was adopted.
I still have no proof that Adelaide Gregory the wife of Bateman Hutchinson (NO marriage record found in England or Canada) and in 1931, Francis Paget, was the mother of Ruby Gregory ... still searching for that elusive proof of connection.
Cannot find Adelaide Gregory in 1891 or 1901 Census in England even though she was supposedly still there ... can't find a thing on her parents Burnett Gregory & Mary Elvester past the 1881 Census.
In 1879 newspaper article, Burnett Gregory was listed as James Gregory and a Maria Cox was also listed (in regards to inquest into death of 7 mo old Florence Burnett Gregory) --- not sure yet how they all fit together.
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The family also appear to have had this child who died
GREGORY, FLORENCE BURNETT mmn ELVESTER
GRO Ref 1878 D Qter WOOLWICH Vol 01D Page 1084
Given the middle name Burnett I wonder whether this is the family in 1881??
Burnett Gregory 45 Labourer general Ireland
Mary Gregory 28 Ireland
Louise Gregory 8 Ireland
William Gregory Son 1 Charlton, Kent
Birth registration
22 January 1882 Adelaide Gregory pob 10 West Street Chatham
father Burnett Gregory gen lab registered by mother Mary Gregory/ Elvester made mark X
I got the details from GRO
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10 May 1879 Woolwich Gazette
DEATH OF A CHILD.-THE mother CENSURED. An inquest was held at Woolwich, on the body of Florence Burnett Gregory, aged seven months, son of James Gregory, of 4, Norris-place, Sand-street, Woolwich. Mary Gregory, mother of the deceased, said that she left home on a Saturday evening in March to go shopping, leaving the child in charge of her (witness) little sister, Maria Cox. She was then quite well, and when she got back about 10 o'clock found the child crying. She did not call a doctor until Monday, when Dr. Traitor came and attended it for a week. After that, she sent for Dr. Britt who told her that the child's neck was hurt. Dr. Fee. Tau afterwards came and advised her to take the child to the Ophthalmic Hospital, which she did twice. A witness named Margaret Green, whose mother had occupied a room at Mrs. Gregory's, said that she later went out on the evening of the 18 h of March and returned at 10 o'clock very drunk. The husband also came home and a disturbance took place. Witness was carrying the child up stairs when Mrs. Gregory laid hold of her and took the infant from her arm, and it fell on its head. She pulled it up and gave it to its mother, who let it fall a second time. Maria Cox, the sister referred to, gave evidence, and was told by the coroner and jury that they did not believe a word she said. It was stated that Mrs. Gregory was in the habit of indulging in too much drink occasionally and that when drunk she was very violent. Dr. Fegan stated he had made a post mortem examination and found the neck of the child dislocated. There were no marks of violence, but the body was emaciated. The injuries might have been caused by the child falling as described. After consulting together the jury returned a verdict of " Accidental Death, with a recommendation to the coroner to severely censure the mother for her gross neglect and drunkenness." The Coroner informed the mother of the jury's request and told her she had narrowly escaped being sent to prison. lie hoped that the memory of the deceased child would rise up a warning to her in the future ; and that it would restrain her in her terrible habit of drinking.
1881 10 West St Chatham
Burnett Gregory 45 Labourer general b Tyrone Ireland
Mary Gregory 28 b Curragh Ireland
Louise Gregory 8 b Currah Ireland
William Gregory Son 1 Chatham
So, presumably the little sister is Mary's sister, If Mary was previously Elvester then is Maria Cox married.?
Guessing the fathers full name may be James Burnett Gregory, possibly married in Ireland.
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10 May 1879 Woolwich Gazette
DEATH OF A CHILD.-THE mother CENSURED.
1881 10 West St Chatham
Burnett Gregory 45 Labourer general b Tyrone Ireland
Mary Gregory 28 b Curragh Ireland
Louise Gregory 8 b Currah Ireland
William Gregory Son 1 Chatham
So, presumably the little sister is Mary's sister, If Mary was previously Elvester then is Maria Cox married.?
Guessing the fathers full name may be James Burnett Gregory, possibly married in Ireland.
WOW! wow! is all I can say and THANK YOU!! I was guessing his name was James Burnett Gregory as well and wonder about this baptism I found -- unfortunately NO birth registration to check.
Clara Ann Gregory, daughter of Barnett or Burnett and Mary Gregory took place on December 13, 1885 at St John, Blackheath, Kent -- was it another daughter of theirs? (Not sure if I'm allowed to put sharing link here to Ancestry?)
Anyway, an interesting possible link (?) is the baptism for Annie Patricia Gregory on Oct 27, 1905 at All Saints, Lambeth with single mother Annie Clara Gregory, also at 41 Jeffreys Rd, the same maternity hospital & place of baptism as Ruby Gregory, d/o Adelaide Gregory (Nov 1905).
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1911Church Rd, Ottershaw, Surrey
Herbert Lilley 47Head
Elizabeth Lilley 45Wife
Lily Lilley 12Daughter
Florence Lilley 9Daughter
Annie Gregory 5 Nurse Child b Clapham
Possible for the Annie Patricia.
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In 1921 Annie appears to be in the Dr Barnardo's Home in Hackney. Aged 15 yrs 8 mths. In training for Domestic Service.
Ian C
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1911Church Rd, Ottershaw, Surrey
Herbert Lilley 47Head
Elizabeth Lilley 45Wife
Lily Lilley 12Daughter
Florence Lilley 9Daughter
Annie Gregory 5 Nurse Child b Clapham
Possible for the Annie Patricia.
They definitely seem to be a family that either hide from the Census takers or are out of the country when they come round!
If you were to check WikiTreeDOTcom and type in Mary Elvester 1853 Athlone, county Westmeath, you'll be able to view all that I've managed to put together for the Elvester family.
I found the connection between Maria Cox and Mary Elvester Gregory -- they were sisters and little Maria's mother remarried to Samuel Cock in 1870 (Cox/Cock spelling depends on Census viewed) -- but my! a 10 year old girl looking after a 7 mo old baby niece is a bit much for her to handle.
Thanks for your continued sleuthing!!
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In 1921 Annie appears to be in the Dr Barnardo's Home in Hackney. Aged 15 yrs 8 mths. In training for Domestic Service.
Ian C
Thanks for finding this! Her mother Annie Clara / Clara Annie Gregory born 1885 isn't easily found in either 1891 or 1901 Census and yet she's alive --- the entire family appear to always be avoiding Census takers :(
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Edited . Checking the orinal image again , Mary was born Atlone . Ireland,
1881 10 West St Chatham
Burnett Gregory 45 Labourer general b Tyrone Ireland
Mary Gregory 28 b Curragh Ireland xxx
Louise Gregory 8 b Currah Ireland
William Gregory Son 1 Chatham
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1871 Farnborough
Samuel Cox 48Head
Susan Cox 38Wife
John Eluester 13Stepson
Louisa Eluester 7Stepdaughter
)Maria Eluester1Stepdaughter
1881 2 Sand Street xx
Samuel Cock 50Head
Susan Cock 51Wife
Maria Cock11Daughter
J.W. Chester 24Boarder
Florence Burnett Gregory died in 1879 in Sand Street.
I can see that you have worked this out.
Possibly going back to Luke Elvester and Susan Mullins in Ireland.
It's quite confusing isn't it.
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Births
ELVESTER, LOUISA MULLENS
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 89
ELVESTER, MARIA MULLEN
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 74
Death
ELVESTER, MARIA 0
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 49
ELVESTER, LUKE 47
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 54
Ian C
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St Mary's Athlone, Westmeath - image on Ancestry
1853 Sep 11
Mariam d/o Lucae ELVESTER and Susanna MULLINS
St Michael's Limerick
1857 Apr 11 - John, s/o Thos Luke and Susan ELVESTER
1859 Feb 12 - Susanna, d/o Luke and Susan
1861 Feb 27 - Margaret, d/o Luke and Susan
Ian C
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1871 Farnborough
Samuel Cox 48Head
Susan Cox 38Wife
John Eluester 13Stepson
Louisa Eluester 7Stepdaughter
)Maria Eluester1Stepdaughter
1881 2 Sand Street xx
Samuel Cock 50Head
Susan Cock 51Wife
Maria Cock11Daughter
J.W. Chester 24Boarder (actually John W. Elvester)
Louisa Elvester 17 Boarder
Florence Burnett Gregory died in 1879 in Sand Street.
I can see that you have worked this out.
Possibly going back to Luke Elvester and Susan Mullins in Ireland.
It's quite confusing isn't it.
It's VERY confusing!! I have found baptisms for Luke and Susan's children Mary, John, Margaret and Susannah in Ireland and the marriage record for daughter Margaret Elvester stated that father Luke Elvester, deceased, was a soldier and armed with that, I was able to find his Chelsea Pensioner records that said he was born in Kidderminster, Worcestershire so off I went and found him in 1841 in Chatham Barracks.
Then, lo and behold, somehow I accidentally discovered that he was baptised as Luke ELVIS but by 1841, had changed his surname to ELVESTER :)
NO birth registration for Maria Elvester born about 1869-1870 - of course Luke had died in 1866 so she wasn't his child -- records on FindMyPast which need subscription state there appear to have been 2 baptisms for her:
* Maria Elvester was baptised in 1871 at St Ludovics, Aldershot (record is part of British Armed Forces Roman Catholic Registers)
* Maria Elvester was baptised in 1873 at St Peter the Apostle RC Church in Woolwich, Kent.
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Births
ELVESTER, LOUISA MULLENS
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 89
ELVESTER, MARIA MULLEN
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 74
Death
ELVESTER, MARIA 0
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 49
ELVESTER, LUKE 47
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 54
Ian C
Thanks for taking the time to share these -- these were the ones I found as well as the baptisms in Ireland for children of Luke and Susan.
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* Maria Elvester was baptised in 1871 at St Ludovics, Aldershot (record is part of British Armed Forces Roman Catholic Registers)
* Maria Elvester was baptised in 1873 at St Peter the Apostle RC Church in Woolwich, Kent.
The 1871 one is just a list. No info
The 1873 one lists mother as Susanna Elvester.
And a godfather Michael McAvoy. No god mother
Gives date of birth as 4th April 1869
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1891 Woolwich dockyard
Susan Cox 69 b Ireland hawker pedlar
Mary Cox 21 daughter b Woolwich laundress
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* Maria Elvester was baptised in 1873 at St Peter the Apostle RC Church in Woolwich, Kent.
The 1873 one lists mother as Susanna Elvester.
And a godfather Michael McAvoy. No god mother
Gives date of birth as 4th April 1869
Thanks SO much for checking these for me -- it's much appreciated!!
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1891 Woolwich dockyard
Susan Cox 69 b Ireland hawker pedlar
Mary Cox 21 daughter b Woolwich laundress
Thanks!! No matter how I've searched, can't find marriage or death for either of them after 1891 -- daughter Susan(na) appears to have died in 1932 in Dorset and son John W (William) Elvester never married but arrived in New York City in 1883 and died in 1945 in NY.
Although Louisa and Margaret Elvester both married, neither had any children. After 1881 Census, no appearances for Burnett or Mary Gregory or their children in other Census documents.
Possible daughters Adelaide Gregory and Clara Ann (Annie Clara) Gregory both had illegitimate daughters in 1905 at the same hospital in Clapham and both were baptised at All Saints in Lambeth.
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I've been dipping back and to into this between the brandy , port and mince pies and this is all I can find, still a lot of unanswered questions.
How did Adelaide Gregory, who came from such an unstable background come to meet and marry Bateman Hutchinson. Adelaide was supposedly in Lambeth and unmarried in November 1905 when daughter Ruby was born.
Bateman Hutchinson was single in April 1906 when he emigrated to Canada .
1901 Derby
Bateman Hutchinson 22
Birthplace Newhall, Warwickshire
Occupation FURNITURE MANUFACTURER
Immigration Event Date Apr 1906 New York, United States
Bateman Hutchinson single 28 cab ( cabinet )maker Birthplace England
Arrival Port New York, NY destination Victoria
Ship Name Etruria
Index to Canadian Border Entries through the St. Albans, Vermont, District: Date 8 / 24 / 16 ?
Bateman Huchinson 38 surveyor
Wife Ada Hutchinson / ever in US YES From 1896 to 10 / 1896 passage paid by self NOT FOUND
Immigration Bateman Hutchinson 38 Birth 1878 Birthplace Canada ?
1916 Event Place St. Albans, Franklin, Vermont, United States
Nearest relative Wife Ada Hutchinson Victoria
Victoria. Newspapers 1930–1932,
1930 Bateman Hutchinson obit, No mention of wife
Adelaide GREGORY the d/o Burnett and Mary was in British Columbia in Canada by 1931 as she married at Victoria as Adelaide HUTCHINSON a widow to Francis PAGET. Image of marriage is on Familysearch, just search for Mary Elvester born 1853. First Husband was Bateman HUTCHINSON
Adelaide arrived in BC in 1908 as Mrs Hutchinson.
Ruby Gregory was born 25 Nov 1905 and baptized 1st Dec 1905 at All Saints, Lambeth and she was listed only as the daughter of Adelaide Gregory, no occupation, abode 41 Jeffreys Road which was Clapham Maternity Hospital (later Annie McCall Maternity Hosp).
Is this Adelaide
Immigration Event Date Jul 1906 Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Port Quebec, QC Ship Name Empress of Britain
Ada Gregory Birthplace England
Read write YES
To Be Deported 610010 ?
Single Waitress County Came From Oxford destination Hamilton Ontario
Not finding a marriage to Bateman Hutchinson or a birth record for Clifford
Clifford Bateman Hutchinson born 27 Jun 1916
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Second Marriage 2 Nov 1931 Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Francis Forester Paget Age 59 Birthplace Leicestershire, England Bachelor
Father's Name John Henry Paget Mother's Name Catherine Clara Cradock
Spouse's Name Adelaide Hutchinson 49 bc 1882 CAN READ AND WRITE
Spouse's Birthplace London, England Spouse's Marital Status Widowed
Father's Name Burnett Gregory mothers name Mary Elvester
On 24 September 1938 a Clifford Hutchinson student 22 arrived in Southampton from Canada .
He was going to Mr H Calvert 35A Nevern Square , London SW5 .
Is this Adelaide`s son.
The Lethbridge Herald (Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada) 25 August 1943
Sicily Casualties Wounded Royal Canadian Artillery
Clifford Hutchinson PTE . Mrs Adelaide Raget (sic) mother Victoria.
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I've been dipping back and to into this between the brandy, port and mince pies and this is all I can find, still a lot of unanswered questions.
How did Adelaide Gregory, who came from such an unstable background come to meet and marry Bateman Hutchinson. Adelaide was supposedly in Lambeth and unmarried in November 1905 when daughter Ruby was born.
Bateman Hutchinson was single in April 1906 when he emigrated to Canada .
Bateman arrived in Victoria, BC on February 27, 1905 and was single, 27 and was in transit to San Francisco. His occupation was listed as ''S. Cabinet Maker.''
Here's an interesting one -- On May 22, 1908, Bateman, age 30 and wife Catherine, age 26, arrived in New York City, NY aboard the ship Etruria. His occupation was Civil Engineer and their destination was Victoria BC. Both listed as born in Ireland but it's known that he was born in England. (Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935)
Published in the Crag & Canyon, Banff, Alberta where Bateman died - November 21, 1930
".... his full obituary and at end Deceased leave a widow and one son Clifford, to mourn his loss."
Adelaide GREGORY the d/o Burnett and Mary was in British Columbia in Canada by 1931 as she married at Victoria as Adelaide HUTCHINSON a widow to Francis PAGET. Image of marriage is on Familysearch, just search for Mary Elvester born 1853. First Husband was Bateman HUTCHINSON
Adelaide arrived in BC in 1908 as Mrs Hutchinson.
Ruby Gregory was born 25 Nov 1905 and baptized 1st Dec 1905 at All Saints, Lambeth and she was listed only as the daughter of Adelaide Gregory, no occupation, abode 41 Jeffreys Road which was Clapham Maternity Hospital (later Annie McCall Maternity Hosp).
Is this Adelaide -- I'll check into this one!!
Immigration Event Date Jul 1906 Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Port Quebec, QC Ship Name Empress of Britain
Ada Gregory Birthplace England
Read write YES
To Be Deported 610010 ?
Single Waitress County Came From Oxford destination Hamilton Ontario
I couldn't find a marriage record for Bateman and Adelaide and since Clifford was born in 1916, birth records for BC are only viewable up to 1903.
Adelaide and Clifford should be in the 1931 Canada Census because she didn't marry Francis Paget until after Census was taken.
1921 CANADA CENSUS - 935 Craigflower Rd., Esquimalt, BC
Bateman Hutchinson Head 42 England; Year of Immigration: 1904
Adelaide Hutchinson Wife 37 England; Year of Immigration: 1908
Clifford Hutchinson Son 4 British Columbia
Adelaide departed from Montreal, Quebec, Canada on October 26, 1923 to visit England. She arrived on Nov 2, 1923 and her proposed address while there was Craven Hotel, Craven Road, London.
CANADA OCEAN ARRIVALS
Name Adelaide Hutchinson
Estimated Birth Year abt 1884
Birth Place England
Age 39
Date of Arrival 22 Dec 1923
Port of Arrival Saint John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure London, England
Ship Name Montlaurier
Relatives's Name Bateman Hutchinson
Relative's Address 909 Government Street, Victoria BC
I will definitely look into those 2 references to Clifford Hutchinson -- the 2nd one is definitely Adelaide's son and the 1938 student looks as though it could definitely be him.
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More.
Canada, Quaker Meeting Records, Minutes, 1912-1967 Possibly 1915
Bateman Hutchinson 121 Langley Street , Victoria BC
in 1921 census The Hutchinsons were at Nanaimo on the east coast of Vancouver Island, in British Columbia, Canada. Bateman was a land surveyor, so probably moved around with his work. About 110 km from Victoria
Adelaide departed from Montreal, Quebec, Canada on October 26, 1923 to visit England. She arrived on Nov 2, 1923 and her proposed address while there was Craven Hotel, Craven Road, London
Francis Forester Paget engineer aged 51 departure Montreal arrival date 2 November 1923 Arrival Liverpool
Ship Montrose. 145919. Destination Craven Hotel, Craven Street .
Entry 76 . Adelaide was Entry 50. They arrived on the same ship , same date and were going to the same hotel.
Is this just an amazing coincidence, did they already know each other ?
Adelaide lived and married in Victoria, British Columbia,
Bateman Hutchinson is buried in Banff, Canmore Census Division, Alberta.
Published in the Crag & Canyon, Banff, Alberta where Bateman died - November 21, 1930
".... his full obituary and at end Deceased leave a widow and one son Clifford, to mourn his loss."
Why did he died in Banff, was he working there. He was 52. It`s a very big headstone,
!931 Adelaide or Clifford are not found.
In 1931 census taken June 1st 1931
Glenshill , Victoria. There were about 28 people there , mostly born England, but 5 Chinese servants.
Head Violet M Allen
Francis F Paget 58 single lodger b England
Marriage 2 Nov 1931 Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Francis Forester Paget Age 59 Birthplace Leicestershire, England Bachelor
Adelaide Hutchinson widow
Only 12 months after Batemans death and 7 years after they were on the same ship going to the same hotel.
On 24 September 1938 a Clifford Hutchinson student 22 arrived in Southampton from Canada .
He was going to Mr H Calvert 35A Nevern Square , London SW5 .
Is this Adelaide`s son. This address had quite a few boarding houses along with quite well of residents.
Clifford Bateman Hutchinson
Topic Crime Residence Date 25 Jun 1956
Residence Place Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Publication Date 25 Jun 1956 Newspaper Title Times Colonist
I don’t have access to this.
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
Name Francis Forester Paget Death Date 6 Oct 1950
Death Place British Columbia Probate Date 21 May 1951 Probate RegistryVictoria
Probate Victoria to Adelaide Paget Constance Catherine Aldersey and Walter Massie Aldersey.
Effects £38700 0s 1d in England, Sealed London 21 May
Didn`t Adelaide do well :)
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Name Constance Catherine Paget
Marriage Age 25
Marriage Date 17 Apr 1923
Marriage Place Worcester St Martin-in-the-Cornmarket, Worcestershire, England
Father Charles John Paget
Spouse Walter Massie Aldersey
both fathers were Gentlemen
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Wow!! You've really been playing Sherlock Holmes!
Regarding the Ada Gregory in this 1906 record - I don't think it's Adelaide and I found an Ada Gregory who died in Hamilton, Ontario as well.
Immigration Event Date Jul 1906 Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Port Quebec, QC Ship Name Empress of Britain
Ada Gregory Birthplace England
Read write YES
To Be Deported 610010 ?
Single Waitress County Came From Oxford destination Hamilton Ontario
Bateman's obit from his FindAGrave profile =
Published in the Crag & Canyon
Banff, Alberta
November 21, 1930
On Sunday afternoon, Nov. 16, the remains of Bateman Hutchinson were laid to rest in the Banff cemetery following church services in St. George's Church, Rev. H. Tully Montgomery officiating.
Banff was shocked on the Friday morning previous to hear of the sudden passing of deceased. For some time Mr. Hutcinson had not been in good health following a fall from a horse that occurred to him more that a year ago in the vicinity of Mount Assiniboine. In the fall he sustained a broken arm and complications ensued.
Deceased who was 52 years and 4 months of age, was a well-known surveyor in Victoria where he resided for 25 years. About three years ago he entered the employ of the C.P.R. and was stationed at Banff most of the time. His family moved to Banff last spring and occupied Gair Lodge on Caribou Street.
Deceased complained of severe pains on the night previous to his death and again shortly before daylight. A few minutes previous to his death he drank a cup of tea and lay down again. Fifteen minutes later he was discovered dead by Mrs. Hutchinson.
Deceased leave a widow and one son Clifford, to mourn his loss."
Amazing what you found regarding Adelaide and future husband Francis Paget on same ship going to same hotel!!!
Did they already know each other or did they get to know each other while in England?? We'll never know but judging by the amount of money left to Adelaide and Catherine and Walter - Adelaide did do very well for herself compared to where she came from!
On 24 September 1938 a Clifford Hutchinson student 22 arrived in Southampton from Canada .
He was going to Mr H Calvert 35A Nevern Square , London SW5.
Is this Adelaide`s son. This address had quite a few boarding houses along with quite well of residents.
I was able to find 35A Nevern Square, London for 1939 and that address was inhabited by Harold Calvert and Mary Calvert -- I got a little excited thinking it might have been Maria Elvester / Maria-Mary Cox but couldn't find any more either way.
In the 1939 England & Wales Register, there was a Harold Calvert born 1919/1920 living at another number of Nevern Street - was he the same Harold? what happened to Mary?
Clifford Bateman Hutchinson
Topic Crime Residence Date 25 Jun 1956
Residence Place Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Publication Date 25 Jun 1956 Newspaper Title Times Colonist
I don’t have access to this. I'll try to find this if I can.
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<I was able to find 35A Nevern Square, London for 1939 and that address was inhabited by Harold Calvert and Mary Calvert -- I got a little excited thinking it might have been Maria Elvester / Maria-Mary Cox but couldn't find any more either way.>
Just to note that was on the electoral register. 35A appears to be vacant come the 1939 national register. I doubt it would be the same Harold as is in 12 Nevern Rd on the national register as he'd only be 19 and thus too young to be on the electoral register (voting age was 21 at that time)
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<I was able to find 35A Nevern Square, London for 1939 and that address was inhabited by Harold Calvert and Mary Calvert -- I got a little excited thinking it might have been Maria Elvester / Maria-Mary Cox but couldn't find any more either way.>
Just to note that was on the electoral register. 35A appears to be vacant come the 1939 national register. I doubt it would be the same Harold as is in 12 Nevern Rd on the national register as he'd only be 19 and thus too young to be on the electoral register (voting age was 21 at that time)
Thanks for clarifying that it wouldn't be the same Harold Calvert who would have been too young to be on the Electoral Register ... I'm going to keep searching just in case they were related somehow to Clifford as it may be the "elusive missing link" :)