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Title: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: SkyeSpotter on Friday 19 December 25 11:59 GMT (UK)
Hello everyone,
I hope everyone is well.

Lately I have been revisiting my paternal grandfather's tree (Hall) and I have come back to my 3x great grandfather's older brother once again, and hoping that turning here we might be able to solve what happened to John and Elizabeth.

What i know: John Hall was born in 1839, South Shields, to John (Master Mariner) and Ann. He was last recorded at home with his parents in 1861 as a Mariner at Cornwallis Square. He was a widower. (I have not found out who he married first). The next census, which I believe is him, he lives at Cornwallis Street as a Mariner with his wife Elizabeth A. who was born Waterford, Ireland. I cannot find a marriage though...

Then I hit a brick wall.

I would appreciate any help in finding out what happened to them.

Thanks,
SkyeSpotter.
Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 19 December 25 13:15 GMT (UK)
IF the marriage took place in Ireland:
Civil registration of marriages began in 1864 for Catholic marriages and 1845 non-Catholic marriages (including registry office).

If there were any children born in England you should be able to find Elizabeth's maiden name from the GRO birth index-
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 19 December 25 16:11 GMT (UK)
Does the 5 month old grandson listed in 1861 belong to him?

James Falconer Hall mothers maiden name Dickinson

Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 19 December 25 16:21 GMT (UK)
There are a few John Hall marriages between 1861-1871 with possible Elizabeth A brides

Sunderland 1864
Chester le Street 1867
Durham 1870

You could work through those seeing if you can match up the marriage partners
Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: softly softly on Friday 19 December 25 16:58 GMT (UK)
Does the 5 month old grandson listed in 1861 belong to him?

James Falconer Hall mothers maiden name Dickinson



No, son of brother Storey Hall.

SS
Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: SkyeSpotter on Friday 19 December 25 17:43 GMT (UK)
Does the 5 month old grandson listed in 1861 belong to him?

James Falconer Hall mothers maiden name Dickinson



No, son of brother Storey Hall.

SS

Yes you are correct. Storey Hall and his wife Jane Dickinson (my 3x great grandparents) are the parents of James Falconer born 1861.
Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: SkyeSpotter on Friday 19 December 25 17:44 GMT (UK)
There are a few John Hall marriages between 1861-1871 with possible Elizabeth A brides

Sunderland 1864
Chester le Street 1867
Durham 1870

You could work through those seeing if you can match up the marriage partners

Thank you for the suggestion, I will work through these and get back to you.  :)
Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 22 December 25 21:03 GMT (UK)
There are a few John Hall marriages between 1861-1871 with possible Elizabeth A brides

Sunderland 1864
Chester le Street 1867
Durham 1870

You could work through those seeing if you can match up the marriage partners

If the bride is listed as merely Elizabeth, a nickname for Elizabeth (such as Eliza, Betty, etc.) or even by her middle name so the above three are not the only possibilities.
Title: Re: What happened to John and Elizabeth?
Post by: jonwarrn on Monday 22 December 25 21:42 GMT (UK)
He was last recorded at home with his parents in 1861 as a Mariner at Cornwallis Square. He was a widower. (I have not found out who he married first).

Maybe :-\
Death in June qtr 1860
HALL, SARAH  ANN     
Age at Death (in years): 21 
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS UNION  Volume 10A  Page 261

Shields Daily Gazette, 17 May 1860 (free text)
13th inst
At Windmill-hill, same day, aged 21, Sarah Ann, wife of Mr John Hall, seaman.