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Title: Help with address
Post by: Leon47 on Friday 19 December 25 09:57 GMT (UK)
Another undecipherable address I need help with. Please see attached.

Entry 492 - Robert Kyle. It looks like 20 Kav.......

I can't find anything likely in lennonwylie.

Also, a burial record for, I think, the same man shows he died at "Union Hospital of (sic) Donegal Road". Does that match with "Workhouse Belfast" on the attached?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 19 December 25 10:10 GMT (UK)

20 Kavanagh St (Street)

Died at Belfast Workhouse.
Union Hospital, Donegall Road is the same.

Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 19 December 25 10:33 GMT (UK)
Was there a Kavanagh Street in Belfast?  Maybe it's a misreading of Tavanagh.
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: Leon47 on Friday 19 December 25 11:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks to you both. I can't find 'Kavanagh' anywhere on lennonwylie. I can find Tavanagh Street though - from 1901 onwards.

It's an odd one generally because the name and exact date of death match with a burial record I have (with other family members shown in the same record) but at the time of death he was married with three children.

Still, mistakes are made.
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Friday 19 December 25 12:17 GMT (UK)
Belfast workhouse admission records have survived and are held in PRONI. (The records themselves are not on-line though indexes are).  You might get a little more from them. They should contain: name, sex, age, marital status, employment, religious denomination, any disabilities, name of spouse, number of children, observations made when admitted, townland/address, date of admission and date of death.
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 19 December 25 13:22 GMT (UK)
The 1910 directory will have been printed a year or so beforehand. Try looking for the address in the Valuation Revision books-
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books

This advice was given to you at least once before (recently)-
The directories didn't list every street but you can check the Valuation Revision Books on PRONI's site to get a more accurate picture of who was at a property.
Also remember that directories were given a post-compilation date. Thus, the data for an 1880 directory might have been compiled the previous year.
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: dublin1850 on Friday 19 December 25 13:34 GMT (UK)
From a newspaper
FOUND, 3rd inst., Greyhound female dog. Owner can have same proving property and paying expenses, at 22 Kavanagh Street, off Donegall Road.

**edit lol rootschat did not like the b word actually used in the advert and changed it.
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 19 December 25 15:03 GMT (UK)
Quote
22 Kavanagh Street, off Donegall Road

Another typo, I think. Tavanagh Street is off Donegall Road.
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: Leon47 on Friday 19 December 25 16:25 GMT (UK)
Belfast workhouse admission records have survived and are held in PRONI. (The records themselves are not on-line though indexes are).  You might get a little more from them. They should contain: name, sex, age, marital status, employment, religious denomination, any disabilities, name of spouse, number of children, observations made when admitted, townland/address, date of admission and date of death.

Thanks for this. I followed the advice on this website:

https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2022/01/proni-releases-index-to-belfasts-poor.html

When I managed to view some images of admission books, they simply showed 'Number in Register', 'Paupers Name' and 'Age'.

The above link also suggests watching a help video, which I'll do. Otherwise, how do I get the information that you suggest is available?
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Friday 19 December 25 16:56 GMT (UK)

The above link also suggests watching a help video, which I'll do. Otherwise, how do I get the information that you suggest is available?

The records themselves are in PRONI on microfilm. You either have to go in and search them yourself or pay someone else to do that for you.

For professional researchers in Ulster, try the Society of Genealogists:   
http://sgni.net/
Title: Re: Help with address
Post by: Leon47 on Friday 19 December 25 19:59 GMT (UK)
OK, many thanks everyone. Very interesting as usual.