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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: Richard19 on Wednesday 17 December 25 17:21 GMT (UK)
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I have Winnie's marriage to John Michael Basham in Bangor, Caenarvonshire in 1914.
On the 1921 census she was in Llandudno (birth place given as Swansea) and in 1939 she was in Agincourt Street, Newport.
Other than that I can't find any other info for her - does anyone know anything about her?
any help is appreciated
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Do you have the marriage certificate to see who her parents were, it was a Civil marriage
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1921 probably on holiday in a boarding house.
Place of work 17 Whitegate Road Wrexham.
Daughter Winifred born in Wrexham 1914 mmn Frader.
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You probably have this, he was a local hero in Wrexham.
https://www.peoplescollection.wales/items/172
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I just ordered the marriage cert so will be a couple of weeks before I get it and I'm aware that Winnie and Johnny had a daughter (Winifred Margaret born 31 Jul 1914 in Wrexham).
I know a lot about John Michael (Johnny) but nothing else about Winnie.
I suspect she could have been of German origin as Frader isn't a typically British name - but have nothing to support that theory.
There's also a possibility that John Michael had a daughter before he married Winnie (Ivy A M Hemmings born 19 May 1913 in Newport Mon)
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You may well be right, as the only Frader on freebmd for all UK is the marriage for Winnie in 1914
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Not sure if connected to your Winnie, there is this electrol. Also in household at no 4 is Winifred Basham & Beatrice Holland who looks like she was nee Basham.
Electrol
Name William David Radbone (wife is Annie F)
Residence Year 1932-1933
Street Address Vincent Street 4 (Swansea)
Residence Place Glamorgan, Wales
There is a marriage in 1904 Swansea - Beatrice Basham to Frederick Holland
Also this..which may not connect
Name Beatrice Maud Holland Basham
Topic Human Interest
Residence Date 29 Jan 1937
Residence Place Swansea, West Glamorgan, Wales
Publication Date 29 Jan 1937
Publication Place Swansea, West Glamorgan, Wales
Newspaper Title South Wales Evening Post
Cas
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There's a lot of Fraters in Pontypridd area, from 1871 onwards ,Robert Frater and wife Euphemia both b Scotland
Can't see a Winnie in the mix.
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https://www.newportpast.com/cemeteries/st_woolos/21.php
No mention of a wife 🤔
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When John Basham died in 1947 who was the informant re his death. Does it mention Winifred.
SS
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When John Basham died in 1947 who was the informant re his death. Does it mention Winifred.
SS
Newspaper reports vary, one says he died at his sisters home, another that he died at his home.
Nothing specific.
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Winifred seemingly still alive after John's death.
The first time it appeared (longsdale belt) at a public auction where a date is specified in the search results was at Christie's on March 31, 1954.
SS
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There is a lot of information for Johnny Basham due to his boxing career especially news reports, he died in 1947 and was my Great Grand Uncle.
I suspect Winnie was with him between 1913/14 and 1947 and I've checked FreeBMD & GRO plus Family History sites but still can't find any sign of her other than her time with Johnny so she's a mystery.
I've looked for emigration and marriages in case Winie re-married, but I haven't found her.
Always a possibility that Winnie Frader wasn't her real name as there doesn't appear to be anything pre 1921 and post 1939.
Matbe this is one brick wall that won't be knocked down.
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If her daughter Winifred Margaret married Arthur George Burman, then Winnie Basham is with them on the post war Newport electoral registers.
At 12 Mountjoy Place, then up to the mid sixties listed at 103 Oliphant Circle.
Arthur died in 1966.
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Long shot :-\
June 1966 Newport 8c 198
Basham, Edith W.
Age 83
Who she?
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jonwarrn
Good points, Thanks.
You're correct her daughter did marry Arthur George Burman
I hadn't looked for her with her daughter and son in law so will follow that up, also with Edith W Basham - it puts her birth 7 years earlier but I'll follow that up as well.
On Johnny's death cert it says he died at 12 Mountjoy Place, Newport and his daughter Winifred Margaret Burman registered his death
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jonwarn, I think she may have started life as Edith Winifred Gamage dob 13.3.1883 Swansea, Parents Elias and Esther. Appears with parents in 1901 aged 17. Marries William John Thomas 1902 Swansea with son born 1907. They appear together in 1911. By 1921 Father William John (single) with son William Glyn ( records both parents still alive) in his mothers household. Father and son appear in 1939, father a widow. Cannot find ANY evidence of her death though,
SS
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Winnie does seem to be a bit of a mystery not seeing any deaths for a Winnie/Winifred
after Dec 1969 showing a dob 14 Jun 1889 (as per 1939 Register)
I wonder if her daughter Winifred’s death certificate would be of any help - if still alive, perhaps her mother was the informant :-\
Winifred Margaret BURMAN age 58 Birth 31 Jul 1914 Reg. Mar 1973 Newport 8c 976
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Ok jonwarn, I give up, where are you viewing Newport electoral registers post war— family search?
Ss >:(
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SS
Anc* card catalogue - search Gwent.
There maybe other means but this is my usual access
Cas
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SS
Anc* card catalogue - search Gwent.
There maybe other means but this is my usual access
Cas
Just about to post same Cas
Gwent, Wales, Electoral Registers, 1832-1969
Added snippet from year 1965
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I've found a burial for Winifred Basham on 17 May 1966 at St Woolos Cemetery so looks like a visit is due but this does look promising.
Thanks everyone - the electoral rolls are finding her - my mistake was searching Monmouthshire not Gwent!!!
Her life pre 1914 is still a mystery though
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This might be daughter Winifred on her own in 1969
Winifred M. Burman
Street Address 372 Monnow Way
Residence Place Wales
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I've found a burial for Winifred Basham on 17 May 1966 at St Woolos Cemetery so looks like a visit is due but this does look promising.
Great find fingers crossed - have added the link to findagrave if anyone else is looking
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/286085554/winifred-basham
ADDED - removed info.
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John Michael Basham death 1947 plot number RC D 31
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/122424642/john-michael-basham
Winifred Basham death 1966 Plot info: RC D/31/250
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if you look at the picture of John's headstone on the plinth left hand side number 250 - 31
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Her life pre 1914 is still a mystery though
Hopefully when you receive their marriage certificate if might prove helpful - please come back and let us know what it says
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Richard19 it looks as if that is your Winifred - a different site gives John & Winifred as the same plot numbers
Winifred Basham
Date of Birth:
Unknown
Date of Death:
Unknown
Age: 83
Date of Burial:
17 May 1966
Plot: RC D/31/250
John M Basham
Date of Birth
Unknown
Age
57 years
Date of Death
Unknown
Buried Date
11 Jun 1947
Location
Plot: RC D/31/250
https://discovereverafter.com/profile/33484404
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Richard19 it looks as if that is your Winifred - a different site gives John & Winifred as the same plot numbers
Winifred Basham
Date of Birth:
Unknown
Date of Death:
Unknown
Age: 83
Date of Burial:
17 May 1966
Plot: RC D/31/250
John M Basham
Date of Birth
Unknown
Age
57 years
Date of Death
Unknown
Buried Date
11 Jun 1947
Location
Plot: RC D/31/250
https://discovereverafter.com/profile/33484404
RC. Roman Catholic. Were the Basham's Catholic.
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I wonder who is named as her father in 1914, would be good if it was Elias, occupation Butcher
SS
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Well done everybody.
Sorry, I should have said the electorals were under Gwent. I didn't know myself until today!
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Yes that's her, I didnt know she was buried with Johnny - the headstone was replaced in 1987 and only refers to Johnny
Johnny was Catholic, I'm not sure about Winnie and yes when I get their marriage cert then I'll repost with any info for her father.
Richard19 it looks as if that is your Winifred - a different site gives John & Winifred as the same plot numbers
Winifred Basham
Date of Birth:
Unknown
Date of Death:
Unknown
Age: 83
Date of Burial:
17 May 1966
Plot: RC D/31/250
John M Basham
Date of Birth
Unknown
Age
57 years
Date of Death
Unknown
Buried Date
11 Jun 1947
Location
Plot: RC D/31/250
https://discovereverafter.com/profile/33484404
RC. Roman Catholic. Were the Basham's Catholic.
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The Winifred born 1914 was the D/O Johnny and Winifred Basham (nee Frader). It's Winifred Frader born abt 1889 that I'm trying to find, but suspect it may not be her real name or she wasn't British (possibly German).
It's also posible she was born earlier than 14 June 1889 (that was from 1939 register)
I wonder who is named as her father in 1914, would be good if it was Elias, occupation Butcher
SS
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Yes thats her as well - thanks
This might be daughter Winifred on her own in 1969
Winifred M. Burman
Street Address 372 Monnow Way
Residence Place Wales
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Elias Gammage
BIRTH ABT 1851 • St Thomas Nr Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
DEATH APRIL 1913 • Swansea, Glamorganshire, United Kingdom
His son
Edward Aubrey Gamage
BIRTH 8 FEB 1888 • Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
DEATH 23 OCT 1918 • France
He made a will probate 1919
Administration to William John Thomas painter.
Daughter Sarah Annie Gamage
BIRTH 19 JAN 1881 • Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
1902 • Swansea, Glamorgan, United Kingdom
Marrage to William Merrells
DEATH 23 APR 1957 • Swansea
Edith Winifred Gamage is on this tree ....
No info after her marriage on index.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228658773/elias-gamage
Elias and Esther d 1891 are buried together.
Just passing time really. 😉
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Thanks for this, it is interesting
I can see Edith Winifred on the 1901 & 1911 census (and others) so once the marriage cert arrives, hopefully Winnie's father is mentioned (and maybe witnesses) and I can follow up if her father is recorded as Elias.
Elias Gammage
BIRTH ABT 1851 • St Thomas Nr Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
DEATH APRIL 1913 • Swansea, Glamorganshire, United Kingdom
His son
Edward Aubrey Gamage
BIRTH 8 FEB 1888 • Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
DEATH 23 OCT 1918 • France
He made a will probate 1919
Administration to William John Thomas painter.
Daughter Sarah Annie Gamage
BIRTH 19 JAN 1881 • Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
1902 • Swansea, Glamorgan, United Kingdom
Marrage to William Merrells
DEATH 23 APR 1957 • Swansea
Edith Winifred Gamage is on this tree ....
No info after her marriage on index.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228658773/elias-gamage
Elias and Esther d 1891 are buried together.
Just passing time really. 😉
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SS
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SS, are you saying that Edith Winifred may have made up a new name for herself, Frader, and commited bigamy?
Possible of course, but would she then actually say her father was called Elias when she married Johnny Basham? :-\
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Here's my thoughts on my Mysterious Great Aunt Winnie (in order of my most likely)
1) Winnie / Winifred Frader was her real name and I just haven't been able to find her - maybe she wasn't born in Britain
2) She anglicised her name - maybe early in 1914 she didn't think it a good idea to have a foreign sounding name
3) She could have been married and widowed prior to marrying Johnny in 1914
4) She changed her name for some reason and didn't want her background to be known
The marriage certificate may help if her father's name is there and any witnesses may help if there was a connection to Winnie but I'm not banking on it.
Johnny Basham was very well known so it could have been a good enough reason to change her name as he was in court twice just before they maried (In Dec 1912 a woman punched him in the ear after seeing him with another woman (Probably Winnie) and then in Sept 1913 the woman that hit him in Dec 1912 unsuccessully sued him for child support)
I'm hoping her father is recorded on the marriage certificate and that any witnessess do give a clue for me to follow up. If not then it's more likely she did want to hide her background, and I'll repost here with the info on the marriage cert once I have it.
SS, are you saying that Edith Winifred may have made up a new name for herself, Frader, and commited bigamy?
Possible of course, but would she then actually say her father was called Elias when she married Johnny Basham? :-\
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SS, are you saying that Edith Winifred may have made up a new name for herself, Frader, and commited bigamy?
Possible of course, but would she then actually say her father was called Elias when she married Johnny Basham? :-\
Hi jonwarn, I just wanted to see exactly what the gro birth cert recorded. I have no idea of who Winnie really is. I do think that whoever was the informant on her death registration had a good knowledge of who she was particularly with regard to death age and exact name. Await like others details of marriage certificate
SS
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Just butting in, if Winifred really was from South Wales as Johnny was, it's not likely that any of the wittnesses would be relatives. According to local (Wrexham) accounts he moved to Wrexham in 1911. It's a waiting game.😉
https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/15941631.achievements-of-wrexham-sports-legend-to-take-pride-of-place-at-towns-boxing-club/
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I seem to be having difficulties in finding two other FRADER Births in other records.
Birth
Not on Index scan but a Note See D76
1875 September Qtr
Helen Colquhoun FRADER
Marylebone
SEE D76 [D76 not seen]
Someone has made a "theory" only.
Which Free BMD added.
[but not a fact it seems?].
Numerous references to Helen Colquhoun with other surnames.
Birth
Scan of Index seen (surname clear)
1891 September Qtr
Eether FRADER [indexed by Free BMD as Esther]
District Leeds 9B page 460 or 160
There is a 1902 handwritten England & Wales Inland Revenue Death Duty Index registration (all are handwritten) but no Volume and page number specified, no Executor Administrator given and no death Registration for:-
FRADER Felix Victor Louis
Date of Death 21 Aug 02
I wonder if anything in the E & W Probate Index.
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I've got one in my wider family where it says see Letter / number reference in GRO Index and the Birth has been Registered some years later by the Father of the child, but the child has also used her Mother's Surname of Smith later on, as well.
The Teenage Son in the household has had sex with their housekeeper Miss Smith and a child was born who used both her Father's surname and her Mother's surname as she wished.
After a second child was born to the Housekeeper, the Householder's Son then married her.
Perhaps his Father who employed the Housekeeper said to his Son, is the 2nd child yours? Perhaps you had better marry her?
The second child only used the surname Smith and her Birth was never registered.
Mark
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Birth
Not on Index scan but a Note See D76
1875 September Qtr
Helen Colquhoun FRADER
Marylebone
SEE D76 [D76 not seen]
Marriages Jun 1897
FRASER Helen Colquhoun Marylebone 1a 1123
King Cecil Tooke B Marylebone 1a 1123
Marriage image on Ancestry.
SS
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I have Winnie's marriage to John Michael Basham in Bangor, Caenarvonshire in 1914.
On the 1921 census she was in Llandudno (birth place given as Swansea) and in 1939 she was in Agincourt Street, Newport.
Other than that I can't find any other info for her - does anyone know anything about her?
any help is appreciated
There are reports in various newspapers in August 1913 after the death of boxer Harry Price .
Edited
Appeared for the prisoner, applied for bail, remarking that Basham was a married man and lived at Wrexham Barracks. He was Special Reservist attached to the Royal Welsh Fusiliers.
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On 21 August 1913 Johnny Basham fought South African Harry Price and both gave heavy blows to each other from the start, Johnny knocked Harry down in the 11th round, Harry didn't recover and unfortunately died the following morning.
Johnny was arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm, and Price's subsequent death led to a manslaughter charge but the magistrate found that the fight was held fairly and Johnny was acquitted of the charge.
Winnie would have been with Johnny at the time, but was very much in the limelight.
I have Winnie's marriage to John Michael Basham in Bangor, Caenarvonshire in 1914.
On the 1921 census she was in Llandudno (birth place given as Swansea) and in 1939 she was in Agincourt Street, Newport.
Other than that I can't find any other info for her - does anyone know anything about her?
any help is appreciated
There are reports in various newspapers in August 1913 after the death of boxer Harry Price .
Edited
Appeared for the prisoner, applied for bail, remarking that Basham was a married man and lived at Wrexham Barracks. He was Special Reservist attached to the Royal Welsh Fusiliers.
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I don't have Winnie's death cert (she died on 17 May 1966) but it's highly likely it was her only daughter Winifred Margaret Burman (nee Basham) who registered the death or her son-in-law Arthur George Burman who died Oct to Dec 1966 - I can't see it being anyone else
SS, are you saying that Edith Winifred may have made up a new name for herself, Frader, and commited bigamy?
Possible of course, but would she then actually say her father was called Elias when she married Johnny Basham? :-\
Hi jonwarn, I just wanted to see exactly what the gro birth cert recorded. I have no idea of who Winnie really is. I do think that whoever was the informant on her death registration had a good knowledge of who she was particularly with regard to death age and exact name. Await like others details of marriage certificate
SS
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They were married in Bangor, Caernarvonshire so you may well be right that the witnesses won't be family of friends - unless Winnie was from Bangor !!- I haven't found any evidence to support that but it's a very valid point and all depends on what's actually on the cert.
Just butting in, if Winifred really was from South Wales as Johnny was, it's not likely that any of the wittnesses would be relatives. According to local (Wrexham) accounts he moved to Wrexham in 1911. It's a waiting game.😉
https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/15941631.achievements-of-wrexham-sports-legend-to-take-pride-of-place-at-towns-boxing-club/
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Here's hoping SS is right (he usually is!)
And Johnny seems to have had great appeal, so anything is possible.
Though I fully understand it is a theory, not a statement of fact.
From time to time on here we do come across a lady who appears to have left their family, usually there seems to have been a complete wall of silence about it.
Anyway, I am sure Richard will find the marriage certificate fascinating when it arrives!
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Heres Winiie's marriage details
Winnie Frader (spinster) age 23 was married by licence on 13 March 1914 in Bangor Roman Catholic Chapel, Pendref to John Michal Basham (bachelor and General Labourer -age not clear but looks to be recorded as 23 - he was 25 at the time)
John Michael was living at the Catholic Rectory Bangor at the time - his father Edward Basham (Labourer)
Winnie was living at Friars House, High Stret, Bangor at the time, her father Elias Frader (a Cattle dealer)
SS may well be right on the name change
Witnesses were Ella M Howell and William Dempsey.
I'm not sure if I'll get any further with knowing the name of Winnie's father (Elias).
Here's hoping SS is right (he usually is!)
And Johnny seems to have had great appeal, so anything is possible.
Though I fully understand it is a theory, not a statement of fact.
From time to time on here we do come across a lady who appears to have left their family, usually there seems to have been a complete wall of silence about it.
Anyway, I am sure Richard will find the marriage certificate fascinating when it arrives!
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Hi
Thanks very much for letting us know the details.
I wonder who is named as her father in 1914, would be good if it was Elias, occupation Butcher
Father is named Elias. Cattle dealer, well I guess that's what a butcher is, in a way! Anyway, a similar line of business.
I think SS called it right, well done!
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Im convinced if nobody else is. Greetings from Scotland, here to see grandchildren, what a joy
SS
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Hogmanay greetings to you, SS.
We look forward to your new year predictions!
I wonder where Winnie got the Frader name from? Strange one.
John
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Maybe Winifred thought Frader was a nicer name than Gamage, Elias as her father sounds pretty good, did she say he was deceased ?
Just a few weeks after the marriage. Not much help really. Winifred could just have been staying there, or possibly the prevous housemaid waitress and had now left.
North Wales Chronicle 9 April 1914
Wanted young Girl, 18, to attend to children also young person, about 24, as
House maid 'Waitress; references required. — Apply, Mrs Brennan, Friars House, High-street, Bangor
APARTMENTS TO LET "FRIARS HOUSE" BOARDING Establishment, large comfortable rooms, every accommodation; special cuisine; terms reasonable.—Full particulars, apply, Mrs Brennan, High-street, Bangor.
Happy New Year from Wales :)
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Sorry - yes she did say her father was deceased
I'd really prefer more proof of the Frader / Gamage connection before adding this to my tree but in 1891 and 1911 she is just called Winifred so I'll follow the siblings to see if I can find anything to support Softly Softly's theory
I've got no proof yet but suspect Winnie was with Johnny in Newport, Monmouthshire in 1913
Maybe Winifred thought Frader was a nicer name than Gamage, Elias as her father sounds pretty good, did she say he was deceased ?
Just a few weeks after the marriage. Not much help really. Winifred could just have been staying there, or possibly the prevous housemaid waitress and had now left.
North Wales Chronicle 9 April 1914
Wanted young Girl, 18, to attend to children also young person, about 24, as
House maid 'Waitress; references required. — Apply, Mrs Brennan, Friars House, High-street, Bangor
APARTMENTS TO LET "FRIARS HOUSE" BOARDING Establishment, large comfortable rooms, every accommodation; special cuisine; terms reasonable.—Full particulars, apply, Mrs Brennan, High-street, Bangor.
Happy New Year from Wales :)
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SS
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I hope you're enjoying Scotland and many thanks for your suggestion - it looks like a good call
Im convinced if nobody else is. Greetings from Scotland, here to see grandchildren, what a joy
SS
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I still smile at a boxer with the surname Basham ;D
SS
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Thanks very much for letting us know the details.
I wonder who is named as her father in 1914, would be good if it was Elias, occupation Butcher
Father is named Elias. Cattle dealer, well I guess that's what a butcher is, in a way! Anyway, a similar line of business.
I think SS called it right, well done!
Im convinced if nobody else is. Greetings from Scotland, here to see grandchildren, what a joy
Ditto
SS How wonderful to be in Scotland especially with family - its such a beautiful place - was there in September travelled the NC500 - stopping at some amazing places along the way it was stunning and very lucky with the weather - can't wait to go back again!
Wishing everyone a Happy New Year and good health 2026 :)
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Richard19 - does Winifred Frader’s signature on the 1914 marriage look similar to the signature on the 1902 marriage of Edith Winifred Gamage 19, Father Elias, butcher
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I don't know if there's any connection to Winnie Frader who married 1914 Bangor :-\
Trevor Wilks Gamage age 4 Born 22 Mar 1877
Baptism 27 Apr 1881 Swansea St Mary, Father Elias Gamage Mother Esther
Trevor Gamage
Record Type Admission
Admission Date 8 Jul 1911
Institution Brecon
Institution Place Breconshire, Wales
Death Date 19 Apr 1912
Death Place Breconshire, Wales
Trevor Gamage age 33 abode The Brecon & Radnor Asylum
Burial 22 Apr 191? Talgarth, Breconshire
On the off chance I checked his d/c he died 19 April 1912 informant medical superintendent of the Asylum
Trevor Gamage of 12 Kensington Terrace Swansea died 19 April 1912 at The Brecon & Radnor Asylum Talgarth
Administration 12 March 1915 to Annie Xylandar (wife of Otto)
Otto Xylander
Record Type Marriage Banns
Marriage Banns Date 30 Mar, 6 April,13 April 1913
Marriage Banns Place Cockett, Glamorganshire, Wales
Marriage 20 Apr 1913
Residence Place Swansea St Mary
Spouse Annie Gamage
Annie Xylander died age 76 - 1951 Jul-Aug-Sep Swansea Volume 8b Page 520
Annie Xylander Alias Annie Gamage
Nationality German
Birth 13 Sep 1876 Birth Place Clydach, Swansea
Image to view on Anc*y UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945
I'm not sure but I think Annie Gamage maybe nee Llewellyn and married Trevor Gamage 1905
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Richard19 - does Winifred Frader’s signature on the 1914 marriage look similar to the signature on the 1902 marriage of Edith Winifred Gamage 19, Father Elias, butcher
This is a good idea, checking the signature, it is quite distinctive
This birth can be downloaded as a PDF for £3
Hopefully mother registered the birth.
GRO index
THOMAS, WILLIAM GLYN mmn GAMAGE GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in SWANSEA
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1901.
Elias Gamage50Head
Trevor Wilk Gamage 24Son
Sarah Annie Gamage 20Daughter xxx
Winnifred Edith Gamage 17Daughter
Edw Obery Gamage13Son
Save
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1901.
Elias Gamage50Head
Trevor Wilk Gamage 24Son
Sarah Annie Gamage 20Daughter xxx
Winnifred Edith Gamage 17Daughter
Edw Obery Gamage13Son
Save
1911
William Merrells31Head
Sarah Annie Merrells30Wife
Stanley Merrells5Son
1921
William Merrells41 Years 7 MonthsHead
Sarah Annie Merrells40 Years 5 MonthsWife
Stanley William Merrells15 Years 9 MonthsSonI
Ivor John Merrells13 Years 4 MonthsSon
Amy Margaret Merrells9 Years 3 MonthsDaughter
Sidney Glyn Merrells7 Years 6 MonthsSon
Ivor Merrells3Son
So not as I thought it could be Winifreds sister . It was worth a go.
Finished for 2025 now. ;D
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Richard19 - does Winifred Frader’s signature on the 1914 marriage look similar to the signature on the 1902 marriage of Edith Winifred Gamage 19, Father Elias, butcher
This is a good idea, checking the signature, it is quite distinctive
This birth can be downloaded as a PDF for £3
Hopefully mother registered the birth.
GRO index
THOMAS, WILLIAM GLYN mmn GAMAGE GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in SWANSEA
Maybe not. Doesn't the registrar fill the details in, So no signature of mother.
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I don't know if there's any connection to Winnie Frader who married 1914 Bangor :-\
Trevor Wilks Gamage age 4 Born 22 Mar 1877
Baptism 27 Apr 1881 Swansea St Mary, Father Elias Gamage Mother Esther
Trevor Gamage
Record Type Admission
Admission Date 8 Jul 1911
Institution Brecon
Institution Place Breconshire, Wales
Death Date 19 Apr 1912
Death Place Breconshire, Wales
Trevor Gamage age 33 abode The Brecon & Radnor Asylum
Burial 22 Apr 191? Talgarth, Breconshire
On the off chance I checked his d/c he died 19 April 1912 informant medical superintendent of the Asylum
Trevor Gamage of 12 Kensington Terrace Swansea died 19 April 1912 at The Brecon & Radnor Asylum Talgarth
Administration 12 March 1915 to Annie Xylandar (wife of Otto)
Otto Xylander
Record Type Marriage Banns
Marriage Banns Date 30 Mar, 6 April,13 April 1913
Marriage Banns Place Cockett, Glamorganshire, Wales
Marriage 20 Apr 1913
Residence Place Swansea St Mary
Spouse Annie Gamage
Annie Xylander died age 76 - 1951 Jul-Aug-Sep Swansea Volume 8b Page 520
Annie Xylander Alias Annie Gamage
Nationality German
Birth 13 Sep 1876 Birth Place Clydach, Swansea
Image to view on Anc*y UK, World War II Alien Internees, 1939-1945
I'm not sure but I think Annie Gamage maybe nee Llewellyn and married Trevor Gamage 1905[/b]
I'd agree with that suggestion. Annie's on 1911 as a married woman. She later divorces Otto and reverts to the Gamage surname
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The signatures don't match
The GRO copy I just received looks to me that neither Winnie or Johnny signed the cert - and the whole cert was written by the same person -so is a handwritten copy of the original chapel record
Richard19 - does Winifred Frader’s signature on the 1914 marriage look similar to the signature on the 1902 marriage of Edith Winifred Gamage 19, Father Elias, butcher