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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: mmm45 on Tuesday 16 December 25 07:58 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Harold Hirst married Mary Emma Hutchinson at Whitechapel church Cleckheaton in March 1917
Harold was Killed in action a few months later July 1917 (260053 1/6th West Yorkshire Regiment)
Marys father on marriage cert is Tom Hutchinson and it has her living in Hartshead
I cant trace her before or after the death of Harold - there maybe something on Fold 3 Military pensions but I don't have access
Can anyone find her post 1917 ? thanks
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Things you haven't mentioned - in 1917 Mary Emma was aged 22, residence Hartshead, father Tom was a Grinder. Harold was a Cooper aged 27, residence Cleckheaton, his father Herbert Hartley was a Caretaker. Harold's brother Percy was a witness and the other witness was Sam WOOD.
Debra :D
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I see on the index of the Fold 3 record she is at Meersbrook, Sheffield
On FindMyPast is a record for an M.E. Hirst . A certificate of discharge from the women’s royal airforce.
The name Gregory is added. Enrolled and discharged at Sheffield
Age 24
There is this marriage
Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
Gregory Richard B D Hirst Cardiff 11a 1139
Hirst Mary E Gregory Cardiff 11a 1139
This couple in 1921 have a 5 month old son. M.E. Is 26y 10m
This birth.
GREGORY, RICHARD NIGEL HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1921 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 1040
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There is a birth - 1893 North Bierley for Mary Emma Hutchinson mmn Pope
Maybe this one
1901 4171/13/17
Job Hutchinson
Alice Hutchinson
Mary E 8 yrs b Hunsworth
With several children/stepchildren
Transcribed as Mitchison on one site.
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Mary Emma Gregory b 10 August 1894. With the son 1939. In Yorkshire.
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There is a birth - 1893 North Bierley for Mary Emma Hutchinson mmn Pope
Maybe this one
1901 4171/13/17
Job Hutchinson
Alice Hutchinson
Mary E 8 yrs b Hunsworth
With several children/stepchildren
Transcribed as Mitchison on one site.
I wondered about them, and could convince myself Tom on that marriage was Job.
But that Mary Emma has her date of birth on her baptism 22 Jan 1893.
Also, Job is always a miner, never a grinder.
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Mary Emma Gregory b 10 August 1894.
That tallies with the widow's date of birth on Harold Hirst's army pension index card
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There is a birth - 1893 North Bierley for Mary Emma Hutchinson mmn Pope
Maybe this one
1901 4171/13/17
Job Hutchinson
Alice Hutchinson
Mary E 8 yrs b Hunsworth
With several children/stepchildren
Transcribed as Mitchison on one site.
I wondered about them, and could convince myself Tom on that marriage was Job.
But that Mary Emma has her date of birth on her baptism 22 Jan 1893.
Also, Job is always a miner, never a grinder.
I’ve just found this Mary Emma’s marriage, in 1912. Definitely not the one who married Harold
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Yes, I thought the same re Job/Tom but just put it forward for place.
However, I see she isn’t the right one.
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There is a birth which could fit:
Mary Emma Hutchinson mmn Linley - Sept quarter 1894 Ecclesall Bierlow
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Possible pre-war sightings:
1901 aged 6 in the workhouse at Ecclesall Bierlow (Mary Hutchinson born Sheffield)
1911 aged 16 a servant in the home of Clarence Dearden in Sheffield
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Possible pre-war sightings:
1901 aged 6 in the workhouse at Ecclesall Bierlow (Mary Hutchinson born Sheffield)
1911 aged 16 a servant in the home of Clarence Dearden in Sheffield
There is also Albert Hutchinson, 8 yrs b Sheffield in the workhouse. Birth of an Albert, 1892 mmn Lindley.
1891 3812 /84
Heeley , Sheffield
Thomas Hutchinson, Edge Tool Grinder
Eleanor and several children.
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There is a death - Helena Hutchinson, 41 yrs in 1894
Find a Grave has a record
Norton Cemetery 11th Sept 1894 Helena Hutchinson, wife of Thos. 5 Little London Place, Norton
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Marriage of Thomas Hutchinson, grinder, and Eleanor Lindley in 1872
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62204/records/55757
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There is a death - Helena Hutchinson, 41 yrs in 1894
Findagrave has not yet linked two others in this grave at Norton Cemetery, which have been linked by sheffieldindexers.com
Hutchinson, Thomas; Grinder age 55
Died at 15 Cockayne Place. Buried 13 Sep 1899
Hutchinson, Tom; Farm Labourer age 34
Died at Ecclesall Union. Buried 30 Apr 1917
N.B. Norton was in Derbyshire until 1901. Ecclesall Bierlow included west Sheffield and parts of north Derbyshire
ADDED: Sheffield Indexers is working slowly, but I have now found 2 more at the same grave reference, who may or may not be connected.
TURNER, Bessie; dau of Frank age 4 months
Died at 1 Windsor Road. Buried 23 Feb 1921
WEBB, Nellie; son[?] of David age 9 months
Died at 40 Haughton Road. Buried 25 Nov 1907
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That’s great, MollyC.
I found the younger Tom with his sister, Eleanor and her husband David Webb in 1901 census.
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GRO Index has mmn Hutchinson for both the last two - and Nellie was registered as female. "son" must be an error in the burial register as Findagrave and Sheffield Indexers both have that.
TURNER, BESSIE HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1920 D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 825
WEBB, NELLIE HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 439
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Good work to wake up to :)
She died 26 Nov 1957 of 19 Thornton Road, Brighouse (see administration)
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Grinder would be an unusual occupation to find at Hartshead/Cleckheaton, which is in the woollen textile district. It is frequent in Sheffield where edge tools of all kinds were made, and were finished by grinding a sharp edge. Grinders historically were not long-lived because they developed silicosis by inhaling fragments of sandstone from the grinding wheels. They were however, among the better-paid workers in Sheffield. The stone wheels were replaced by carborundum during the 1920s.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=53.35627&lon=-1.47172&layers=168&b=ESRIWorld&o=100
The "Meers Brook" means (county) "boundary brook", winding E to W across this extract to join the Sheaf in the NW. Heeley is to the north, Cockayne Place is just south of Meersbrook Park, Norton Cemetery a bit further south.
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Perhaps Mary Emma was in service in Cleckheaton area when she married.
You posted Thomas, her father, died in 1899 in Norton/Sheffield so he had no connection to the area.
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It seems she was probably working there, and returned to that area before she died.
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It seems she was probably working there, and returned to that area before she died.
There by 1939
I wonder if she separated from her husband.
He died 1966 in Wales and probate is to someone I think is a niece, although son is I think, still alive at that time and may have died in Cleckheaton. Three lots of supposition! Does that add up to one fact. :-\ :-\
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The family were in Brighouse in 1948.
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Thanks for all of these responses
I have been luck enough to become custodian of Harold Hirsts WW1 campaign medals and return them to the town of his birth.
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Oh that’s lovely., mmm45.