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Title: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 11:40 GMT (UK)

I hope someone can shed light on this entry in someone's will.

They bequeathed 'The Grant of Arms to my Family in 1849 signed by the Ulster
King of Arms'.

Does this mean the family lived in Ulster at that time, or was it based on their ancestry?

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 15 December 25 11:44 GMT (UK)

Nothing to do with living in Ulster as such.

It is leaving an actual patent of arms (document) to someone.

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 11:51 GMT (UK)

I thought that was the case - bequeathing the document.

But intrigued as to what the document represents.

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 15 December 25 11:53 GMT (UK)

The arms granted to, or confirmed to the family.

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 11:59 GMT (UK)

And how would the family have been eligible for these arms? 

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 15 December 25 12:09 GMT (UK)

By (new) grant, or confirmation of ancient usage

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 12:29 GMT (UK)

Thanks Wexflyer.  Is there a reliable website for searching arms of a particular family?  I think I've only found ones trying to flog random coats of arms to people who are desperate to have descended from the aristocracy.

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 15 December 25 12:37 GMT (UK)

The records of Ulster King of Arms in Dublin will have a copy of this document

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 13:35 GMT (UK)

Tx I’ll do some digging.

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: Zaphod99 on Monday 15 December 25 13:52 GMT (UK)

Stay away from those.

Zaph

Quote from: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 12:29 GMT (UK)

Thanks Wexflyer.  Is there a reliable website for searching arms of a particular family?  I think I've only found ones trying to flog random coats of arms to people who are desperate to have descended from the aristocracy.

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 15 December 25 13:59 GMT (UK)

For information-

The Office of the Chief Herald, formerly the Genealogical Office (GO), has been a part of the National Library of Ireland since 1943.

https://www.nli.ie/office-chief-herald

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 15 December 25 14:05 GMT (UK)

Quote from: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 13:35 GMT (UK)

Tx I’ll do some digging.

y

At NLI

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Monday 15 December 25 16:08 GMT (UK)

Thanks everyone. :)

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 16 December 25 09:11 GMT (UK)

I know little of heraldry etc. but found this volume on line which covers 1849 - Granting of Arms and Confirmations Vol E; 1803-1853. The Ulster King at Arms at the time was Sir William Betham and these bear his name/signature.
They strike me as drafts of the real thing (which are much more splendid).

The year 1849 begins around page 381.
https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000529302

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Tuesday 16 December 25 13:23 GMT (UK)

Thanks for delving on my behalf. I’ll look that up very soon.

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: hanes teulu on Wednesday 17 December 25 10:48 GMT (UK)

The copy should be there in the relevant volume (vol E?).
The Name index at the front should be sufficient to get you to the appropriate page. Find page not image!

Title: Re: Ulster King of Arms? 1849
Post by: ValJJJ on Wednesday 17 December 25 11:29 GMT (UK)

Tx for that. I have yet to start looking…