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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: Mr.Brown. on Saturday 13 December 25 17:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi - interested in ideas on this person, I have Mary James Brown born 1818/1819 on census 1851-1901 and she is marked as born France or Belgium (British subject) on some but one in particular (1871) states Ostend, which I assume means in Belgium which makes me think this is where she actually born.
Wondering who her parents could be? possibly military? did the military have their families/wife with them when abroad? From her name I would assume her mother was surname Miss James...and her father Mr Brown.
Ive tried adding potential siblings to her but nothing comes up. I can not* find her on the 1841 census but their first legitimate child George in 1844 born Ford Northumberland. I think the first born Mary Ann (1842) may have been an illegitimate of the mother born in Newcastle, where I do have a potential 1841* census for a John Park and wife Mary.
Cant find a 1841-4 marriage either for Mary James Brown and John Park in either England or Scotland as John Park was a blacksmith/spade maker from Norham on the Scottish boarder.
Back to Ostend Belgium, there would appear to have been a Fort Napoleon where British forces were stationed at around 1819, wonder if that is relevant.
Any ideas would be appreciated, Thanks, Gordon.
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A possibility?
Marie Jacqueline BROWN 6 May 1818, Daughter of Pierre BROWN, sailor and Elisabeth BULTON
The declaration was filed by Pierre Jean Massart, a 47-year-old certified midwife from Ostend. The father was absent at the birth.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGV1-982Z?i=399 (top left)
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Possible?
Peter BROWN Groom
England, Northumberland, Non-Conformist Church Records, 1613-1974
Marriage 5 January 1810 Northumberland
Spouse Elizabeth BUTON
On Familysearch.Org
Trish :)
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Possible 1841 census
St John Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
John Park 25 Engine fitter
Mary Park 20
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ahh yes that is the potential 1841 census I have which fits with a potential birth of an illegitimate first child but this couple would appear to be married whereas I have an illegitimate first child with mother name of Brown - they may have been together but not actually married. ?
What puzzles me is what was MJB doing being born in Belgium and the only thing I can think of is her father was in the army and involved in the battle of Waterloo. So I was wondering if soldiers had their wives with them when stationed abroad.
There are a number of 'Brown' records regarding the Battle of Waterloo. (incidentally not 'my' Browns)
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What puzzles me is what was MJB doing being born in Belgium and the only thing I can think of is her father was in the army and involved in the battle of Waterloo. So I was wondering if soldiers had their wives with them when stationed abroad.
Not the army, according to birth details (according to TreeSpirit's post - see above). Peter Brown was a sailor - so with the NAVY.
Yes indeed, at this time, wives often accompanied their "military / naval" husband abroad.
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Naval-Wives-18th-19th-Century/
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Ahh yes - I dont seem to have comprehended what I was reading above re the birth and marriage which do fit with one another and the location - I think I was blinded by expecting to see the mother called 'Miss' James.
Thank you very much.
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A possibility?
Marie Jacqueline BROWN 6 May 1818, Daughter of Pierre BROWN, sailor and Elisabeth BULTON
The declaration was filed by Pierre Jean Massart, a 47-year-old certified midwife from Ostend. The father was absent at the birth.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGV1-982Z?i=399 (top left)
Thanks for this - I have been trying to duplicate your search in search of other family members but cant get it - could you give me some guidance - Thanks Gord.
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A possibility?
Marie Jacqueline BROWN 6 May 1818, Daughter of Pierre BROWN, sailor and Elisabeth BULTON
The declaration was filed by Pierre Jean Massart, a 47-year-old certified midwife from Ostend. The father was absent at the birth.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGV1-982Z?i=399 (top left)
Just for clarity, it does also say that Elisabeth Bulton was his wife.
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yes shaunj I realise that - Im keep getting confused with who we are talking about as I still have not found the marriage for the daughter, Mary James Brown and John Park.
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Jacqueline is of course the feminine form of Jacques. Jacques is the French equivalent of James, both being derived from the Latin Jacobus.
Hence a possible translation of Jacqueline as James.
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A possibility?
Marie Jacqueline BROWN 6 May 1818, Daughter of Pierre BROWN, sailor and Elisabeth BULTON
The declaration was filed by Pierre Jean Massart, a 47-year-old certified midwife from Ostend. The father was absent at the birth.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGV1-982Z?i=399 (top left)
TreeSpirit please help me out, I have spent hours trying to replicate your search for this record without success, will you please walk me through the process, it would appear to have been done using Search/Records but this does not take me to your record ?
Thank you, Gordon.
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There are various indices available:
Via the (yearly) index that is included before the 1818 births:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGV1-98NR?i=353
Via the ten-yearly birth index (1813-1823):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYYM-P9J?i=574
Via the search function of the Belgium archives:
https://agatha.arch.be/search/analyses/
Via the search function of Database West Vlaanderen:
https://www.vrijwilligersrab.be/en/node/118
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Tree Spirit - thank you, so it would appear that you did not find the record using the 'Search' facility on Family search but by going directly to one of these indices/records and then looking for the name of a Brown birth in the year in question.
I tried every way in 'search' even using the information that you have shared and it never came across the record.
So at least now I can look for other Brown using the links you provided.