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Title: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Friday 12 December 25 15:49 GMT (UK)

Hello again ,Does the BMD hold all the marriage records as I have tried searching for a record and it does not seem to exist.Their names were Frank Edwin Hall born 1860 in Hyde Cheshire and her name was  Ellen Ward  born 1866 in Burntwood Staffordshire .Frank dies in 1906 in Fylde district .
Thanks
Mud

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: cath151 on Friday 12 December 25 16:12 GMT (UK)

If Hannah Sophia and frank Edwin are their children (1901) then their mothers' maiden name is Westwood.
She is down as Ellen Ward Hall so possibly Ellen Ward Westwood?

Cathy

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 12 December 25 16:16 GMT (UK)

Not sure if I've got the correct family -

1901 census - RG13 3973, folio 58, page 30 - 5 Dickinson Road, Blackpool

Frank Edwin Hall - 41
Ellen - 35
Frank Edwin aged 9
Hannah Sophia aged 5

GRO give mother's maiden name for both children as Westwood.

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: cath151 on Friday 12 December 25 16:22 GMT (UK)

There is an Ellen Westwood born c 1866 in Burntwood in 1871 and 81 but I can t see a marriage anywhere...
Cathy

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 12 December 25 16:26 GMT (UK)

1891 census - RG12 945 folio 27, page 16

12 Vision Terrace, Petersfield

Frank Edwin - 31 - Printer's Compositor
Ellen - 25

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: cath151 on Friday 12 December 25 16:30 GMT (UK)

There is a birth for an Ellen Westwood b 1866 Staffordshire, mother Ward. (No other details) from Staffs.Births and Marriages which may account for "Ward".
Maybe they just weren't married.
Cathy.

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Friday 12 December 25 18:13 GMT (UK)

BumbleB,You  have the correct one,I know what happened to Hannah Sophia Hall she married a Andrew Hughes in Rhyl,I still cannot find what happened to Ellen after  her husband Frank Edwin Hall died in 1906 ,also her son another Frank Edwin Hall  born 1892 disappears from the records
.Thanks anyway to everyone for their help  with this tree
Mud

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Comberton on Saturday 13 December 25 01:38 GMT (UK)

I don't know if it is your man but in 1911 there is a Frank Westwood b 1890 Petersfield serving as a soldier in India and in 1921 Frank Edwin Westwood b 1892 Petersfield living in Flintshire. Also there in 1939.

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Comberton on Saturday 13 December 25 01:59 GMT (UK)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6428730

This seems to be the man from 1911. Another record shows middle name Edwin and previous unit matches 1911.

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Saturday 13 December 25 12:19 GMT (UK)

Thanks Comberton,Sounds like it could be the man we are looking for as he was born in Petersfield.Taken his Mum's maiden name then ,whereabouts in Flintshire in 1939 please and is he married.
Thanks
Mud

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Comberton on Saturday 13 December 25 15:24 GMT (UK)

1921 and 1939 in Rhuddlan, St Asaph with wife and children. Married 1917 St Asaph to Edith M Williams. He died in 1975, her in 1993.
Did you know Frank Edwin Hall senior and wife, presumably Ellen, lived in Leicestershire before moving to Blackpool?

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Saturday 13 December 25 19:28 GMT (UK)

Thanks Comberton,No ,I did not know they lived in Leicestershire ,Blackpool (fylde district) i presume where  Frank senior died  in 1906,Talking about Frank senior can't find his birth in Hyde in 1860 so just taking a leap of faith I have plumped for father Edwin Hall b 1820 in Newton and Sophia b 1822
Thanks for all your help
Mud

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 14 December 25 09:33 GMT (UK)

Think your safe with Frank/Edwins parentage.

1881 census --21, Commercial Street, Newton (Cheshire), Ashton under Lyne, Cheshire,

Edwin   Hall   Head   Married   Male   61   1820   -   Newton, Cheshire, England
Sophia   Hall   Wife   Married   Female   59   1822   -   Hanford, Norfolk, England
Charlotte   Hall   Daughter   Single   Female   35   1846   Heald knitter   Newton, Cheshire, England
James   Hall   Son   Single   Male   23   1858   Engine fitter   Newton, Cheshire, England
Edwin   Hall   Son   Single   Male   21   1860   Printer compositer   Newton, Cheshire, England
Robert Henry   Hall   Son   Single   Male   16   1865   Painter   Newton, Cheshire, England

HALL, EDWIN       HUMPHREY 
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE  Volume 08D  Page 432

HALL, ROBERT  HENRY     HUMPHRIES 
GRO Reference: 1864  S Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE  Volume 08D  Page 401

SS

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Sunday 14 December 25 11:44 GMT (UK)

Thanks SoftlySoftly,I went with that one because of the Sophia link,knowing that children like to name their children after the parents /or favourite siblings!
Mud

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 14 December 25 12:10 GMT (UK)

Edwin and Ellen didn't marry because he had already married Mary Ellen HEYWOOD in 1885.  She was from Godley and was still living there with family in 1891 and 1901.

Debra  :D

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 14 December 25 12:21 GMT (UK)

Quote from: Dundee on Sunday 14 December 25 12:10 GMT (UK)

Edwin and Ellen didn't marry because he had already married Mary Ellen HEYWOOD in 1885.  She was from Godley and was still living there with family in 1891 and 1901.

Debra  :D

Debra, could you please give 1891/1901 census ref please.

SS

added, found her

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Sunday 14 December 25 12:32 GMT (UK)

Thanks Dundee for the update,lots of twists  and turns in this part of the tree it will take some figuring out!
Mud

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 14 December 25 12:33 GMT (UK)

Mary Ellen HALL born 1862, Godley, Cheshire.

1891  Piece 3287;  Folio 50; Page  3
1901  Piece 3792;  Folio 167; Page number   12

Debra  :D

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 14 December 25 12:38 GMT (UK)

The marriage

https://postimg.cc/9wFnczRp

Debra  :D

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Sunday 14 December 25 17:10 GMT (UK)

Thanks Debra,quite a few trees out there with wrong info,mine included!
Mud

Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Comberton on Sunday 14 December 25 18:04 GMT (UK)

Sorry for the delay in posting the Leicestershire information.
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Title: Re: BMD
Post by: Comberton on Sunday 14 December 25 18:05 GMT (UK)

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Title: Re: BMD
Post by: mudmonster on Sunday 14 December 25 18:20 GMT (UK)

Thanks Comberton for the newspaper cuttings,it's not getting any better is it!I wonder if Hannah Sophia & Frank Edwin Junior  knew about them
Mud