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I am trying to discover the date of Robert Clarks death in Liverpool between (a big gap)1871-1886.
Robert Clark born Scotland 1849 died Liverpool?
Father Robert Clark born Scotland 1812
Mother Ann (Philip) Clark born Scotland 1820
I am also trying to discover the names of the children of Robert Jr. (Sorry I have no marriage details.) Knowing he had at least 2 sons who were taken into the Seamans Orphanage in Liverpool after his premature death.
Any help gratefully recieved.
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There is a Robert Clark aged 12 in the Seamen's Orphan Institution ( Orphan Drive, Newsham Park) in the 1891 census, aged 12, born Bootle.
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In the 1881 census in Olivia Street, Bootle there is a Robert Clark(e), aged 32, a marine engineer from Scotland; wife Christina, 34, Scotland; children Isabella 8, John 4, Robert M 2, and Elizabeth M aged 5 months.
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Robert Clark aged 32 in 1881 would give a birthdate 1849 which would fit.
Robert Clark aged 12 in the orphanage in 1891 would mean he would be 2 in the 1881 census which would also fit.
The other son would be John. Is there no record of him at the orphanage?
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Death at sea:
Ship Vancouver (87963)
Date of Death 23/8/1885
Robert Clark age 36 born Arbroath, abode Liverpool, 2nd Engineer.
Died of Apoplexy
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In 1891 the rest of the family are at 62 Canal Street, Bootle.
Christina and Isabella are weavers at a jute mill.
John is an apprentice engineer. Elizabeth is a scholar.
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Fairly confident MMN is MARTIN
CLARK, ISABELLA ANDERSON MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 406
CLARK, ANN MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 335
CLARK, JOHN WILLIAM MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 513
CLARK, ROBERT MARTIN MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 439
CLARK, ELIZABETH MARTIN MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 476
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Are they the really out of area marriage, Westham, Essex?
Added. Seems likely
Robert Clark, engine fitter born Scotland is at Stratford, Westham with his widowed mother Ann and siblings. All born Scotland
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Gosh his brother James also died at sea Nov 13 1894. Pleurisy and congestion of the lungs.
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Robert Martin Clark of 62 Canal Street, Bootle. Buried 18 June 1891 age 12
Image is on Ancestry
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Gosh his father James also died at sea Nov 13 1894. Pleurisy and congestion of the lungs.
James??
The Essex family, mother Ann is a Widow, and you said in opening post his father was Robert, who I can see in Scottish census transcripts. So he died before 1871, and was not named James.
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sorry mckha489 - his brother James. (I've modified my post)
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When are the family in Essex?
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And who is Richard?
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Blimey Shaun! you might well ask. How the heck did I manage to write Richard in the subject box?
(The original subject box - Richard Clark died Liverpool.) Hopefully I have managed to modify it now.
Thanks Shaun.
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When are the family in Essex?
1871 census
Registration District West Ham
Sub-registration district Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel 13
Household schedule number 161
Piece 1626
Folio 51
Page number 32
I had assumed you had that since you implied you had him in 1871 in your opening post. Sorry about that.
Also, 1871 for Christina Martin’s family
Registration District West Ham
Sub-registration district Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel 12
Household schedule number 285
Piece 1626
Folio 24
Page number 44
I will leave the rest up to you.
I would imagine Christins’s mother is Isabella nee Anderson
Note the Ann Clark niece with John & Isabella Martin 1891. Should this be granddaughter?
In which case where is she in 1881? (And 1891 etc)
Also,
Isabella is probably the death in 1904
Deaths Jun 1904
Martin Isabella 89 W. Ham 4a 78
Where is she in 1901?
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I just assumed they were living in Liverpool at that time 1871.
1871 is the same year his father, Robert Clark senior, left for Australia with his wife and some of Robert juniors siblings. (And that's another long story.)
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I have modified reply #16
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So…a different wife?
Added..ok, now I see her dying in Australia,
So….why is she said to be a widow in 1871 I wonder. (Children match)
Error by census taker?
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Ah yes I've come across that before. I wondered if her husband Robert leaves for Australia before her and she is on her own when the census comes around?
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Ah yes I've come across that before. I wondered if her husband Robert leaves for Australia before her and she is on her own when the census comes around?
A tree on Ancestry has
“ On 22 Jul 1871, Robert 60, Ann 51, Isabella 11 and Martha 8 boarded the Colonial Empire ship in Plymouth England for a 95 day voyage to Melbourne Australia to begin their new life.”.
Link here
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/3B414CA4-F96C-11E9-AE98-AF6C68829023?image=84
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Thank you Shaun and mckha489 your posts have helped me fill in some of the gaps I was struggling with.