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Walter married Mary Margaret Bellerby (1877-1940) 13 Feb 1897 at Fulford, they had 3 children: Harriet Susan Gertrude born Q1 1898, John Henry born Q1 1899 and Arthur Thomas born 4 May 1900 all in York. The family excluding John Henry appeared on the 1901 Census, but on the 1911 Mary and all 3 children appeared but without Walter. At 1921 Mary M was living as married with a lodger in either Hull or York but at 1939 she was recorded as a widow living with her son, Arthur in Flaxton.
Trees on Ancestry suggest that Walter went to the USA and lived and died in Pennsylvania in 1931 having married again?
Cr
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145096163/walter-franks
Different person if you check children births
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Does the birth date agree ?
FIND A GRAVE
Walter Franks
29 Dec 1871 England
Death 14 Apr 1931 (aged 59)
Heidelberg, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
Burial Chartiers Cemetery
Carnegie, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145096163/walter-franks
Sandra
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Marriage 1893
Walter Franks - 29 December 1870 England - aged 22 years.
Marriage Date 13 Apr 1893
Marriage Place Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Spouse Mary A. Black
Certificate Number 13277
Walter Franks - 29 Dec 1871 England - 14 April 1931
Death Age 59
Birth Date 29 Dec 1871
Death Place Heidelberg, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Father John Franks
Mother Elizabeth Summerscale
Spouse Mary A Black
Certificate Number 38570
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Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Thu, 16 Apr 1931
Page 26
https://www.newspapers.com/article/pittsburgh-post-gazette/185796116/
Sandra
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IF the father of Walter was John Franks............ John Franks passed in 1907
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Tue, 8 Jan 1907
Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/article/pittsburgh-post-gazette/185796185/
Elizabeth Summerscales - 1849 - 1868 (aged 19 yeatrs)
Marriage Date 25 Jan 1868
Marriage Place Halifax, St John the Baptist, Yorkshire
Halifax, St John the Baptist
Father George Summerscales Spouse John Franks
John Franks arrived in Philadelphia in 1881 -
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Could he have a sister Emily Franks -
Marriage -
Emily Franks - Marriage Date 21 Oct 1891
Marriage Place Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Spouse George R. Hilton.
The Pittsburgh Press
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Wed, 9 Dec 1953
Page 54
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-pittsburgh-press/185796278/
FIND A GRAVE
Emily Franks Hilton - 12 January 1873 - West Yorkshire.
Chartiers Cemetery
Carnegie, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
Plot G
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/28025253/emily-hilton
Sandra
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The one in Pennsylvania married Mary A Black in 1893. AT that time he was a miner.
The online tree has a crossed wire. It's not the electrical engineer from York.
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John Henry born Q1 1899
JH's date of birth was 10 January 1899
Walter a journeyman gas fitter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDP-WSWW-F
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Harriet Susan Gertrude born Q1 1898
Possibly an admission record for her in 1907 at St Cuthbert's School, York
Born 1897, from free keyword search probably born in December, parent/guardian Walter
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When Harriet married in 1920 her husband's father was noted as deceased, but Walter wasn't. Occupation engineer
However John Henry's army records have his mother as next of kin
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Thank you one and all for your superb research.
Walter was born Q1 1871 so the findagrave dob is either wrong or recorded wrongly, as is the son Arthur.
It would seem to me that it's a different family in the USA as Walter married Mary in 1897 so couldn't have married in 1893 in the USA.
Still we don't know when the English Walter died?
Cr
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Hi Cr
I think Q1 1871 Walter from Halifax is the chap in Allegheny.
Parents John and Elizabeth, and a sister Emily.
Mum and the two children may have gone to the States in 1884 (Franck) Was John on same voyage or did he go earlier?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PT4-96QJ
There was an illegitimate Walter Franks born in York, 15 November 1872
Mother Agnes
Vaccination register, with info from the birth registration
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDP-WS1J-2
Could he be the one you are liooking for? :-\
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There was an illegitimate Walter Franks born in York, 15 November 1872
Might be a person of interest in York in 1891, what happened to him?
Walter Quinn, 18, Gas Fitters Apprentice
Parents John and Susan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7P55-MN2
Is there a birth reg for him? Were John and Susan really his parents, who was sister Gertrude?
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Hi Cr
I think Q1 1871 Walter from Halifax is the chap in Allegheny.
Parents John and Elizabeth, and a sister Emily.
Mum and the two children may have gone to the States in 1884 (Franck) Was John on same voyage or did he go earlier?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PT4-96QJ
John Franks
Residence Place Carengie, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Probate Date 22 Jan 1907
Probate Place Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA
Inferred Death Place Pennsylvania, USA
Case Number 226
Item Description Will Packets, Vol 088-090, 1906-1907
his wife named Elizabeth
Burial John Franks https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/148765663/john-franks
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There was an illegitimate Walter Franks born in York, 15 November 1872
Might be a person of interest in York in 1891, what happened to him?
Walter Quinn, 18, Gas Fitters Apprentice
Parents John and Susan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7P55-MN2
Is there a birth reg for him? Were John and Susan really his parents, who was sister Gertrude?
He is with John & Susan Quinn in 1881 as well :). They are living in Hilda Street in 1881. I could not see a Catherine St as mentioned on Walter Franks immunisation record but there is a Catherine Court off Hilda Street. Gertude who you mention was listed as Gertrude Firth a Nurse Child in 1881
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Walter Franks first child was named Harriet Susan Gertrude, is it a coincidence that Walter Quinn has a 'mother' named Susan & sister named Gertrude
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There was an illegitimate Walter Franks born in York, 15 November 1872
Might be a person of interest in York in 1891, what happened to him?
Walter Quinn, 18, Gas Fitters Apprentice
Parents John and Susan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7P55-MN2
Is there a birth reg for him? Were John and Susan really his parents, who was sister Gertrude?
He is with John & Susan Quinn in 1881 as well :). They are living in Hilda Street in 1881. I could not see a Catherine St as mentioned on Walter Franks immunisation record but there is a Catherine Court off Hilda Street. Gertude who you mention was listed as Gertrude Firth a Nurse Child in 1881
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Walter Franks first child was named Harriet Susan Gertrude, is it a coincidence that Walter Quinn has a 'mother' named Susan & sister named Gertrude
Is this his death ?
Walter Quinn Death Age 59
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration District Knaresborough
Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding
Volume 9a Page 121
There’s a Walter Quinn b1877 York living in Yorkshire also Alice Quinn born 1881 York in 1921
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I have just located Catherine Street in 1881, at no 10 is a Daniel Quinn & family. Still looking for Catherine St in 1871
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I have just located Catherine Street in 1881, at no 10 is a Daniel Quinn & family.
Still looking for Catherine St in 1871
FRANKS, WALTER -
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in YORK Volume 09D Page 46
Ok just downloaded the above birth record
15 November 1872
12 Catherine Street St Lawrence York
WALTER
mother Agnes FRANKS, she registered the birth 16 Dec 1872 same address
Marriage 4th December 1875
Agnes FRANKS 22 to Thomas Littlechild 26 on 14 Dec 1875
both res 12 Catherine St
Father’s named James Franks stonemason & John Littlechild, blacksmith
One of the witnesses John QUINN
image on Anc*y
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Dau Agnes born 4 Dec 1879 to Thomas & Agnes nee Franks
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1880/02886/2057686.pdf
First child baptism address 12 Catherine Street
Letitia Ann Littlechild
Baptism 29 Dec 1875 York, St Lawrence, Yorkshire
Thomas occ Corporal 3rd Dragoons Mother Agnes
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Agnes buried 1916
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133226016/agnes-littlechild
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I have already looked at the Littlechilds on the next census and Walter is not with them :)
Interestingly the birth reg information is the same as the inoculation link posted by John
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Is this his death ?
Walter Quinn Death Age 59
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration District Knaresborough
Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding
Volume 9a Page 121
There’s a Walter Quinn b1877 York living in Yorkshire also Alice Quinn born 1881 York in 1921
I think it may be him Ladyhawk though his age is well out. In 1901 as Walter Franks he is an Electrical Engineer, the occupation in 1921 is a similar description.
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Is this his death ?
Walter Quinn Death Age 59
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration District Knaresborough
Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding
Volume 9a Page 121
There’s a Walter Quinn b1877 York living in Yorkshire also Alice Quinn born 1881 York in 1921
I think it may be him Ladyhawk though his age is well out. In 1901 as Walter Franks he is an Electrical Engineer, the occupation in 1921 is a similar description.
That's what I thought too Rosie
For info.
Walter & Alice Quinn
Residence Dates 1921/22/24/25/28/30/31/32
Residence Place Ripon, West Yorkshire, England
Street Address 23, Hookstone Avenue
Year 1918 just Walter Quinn listed at No 23
Year 1933 Walter & Alice Quinn at No 51 Hookstone Avenue
and from Year 1934/1940 Alice Quinn at No 51 ditto
West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962
Has Walter been found in 1911?
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A public tree on Anc*y has
Walter Quinn occ electrical fitter death 1932 (no image), marriage 16 Oct 1917 St John's Episcopal Church, Jedburgh, Scotland (no image), parents named as John Quinn & Susan Wetherall
Marr.residency
15 Oct 1917 Harrogate, Yorkshire 23 Hookstone Avenue, Harrogate, Yorkshire
This is the entry on SP
QUINN
WALTER
MOWFORTH
ALICE L
1917
792 / 14
Jedburgh
Alice Louisa MOWFORTH
b 10 SEP 1876 Eastrington, Yorkshire
d 01 MAR 1962 Harrogate, The General Hospital, Harrogate (no image)
Added there is a 1962 probate record for Alice address 51 Hookstone Avenue, widow, probate to A E Mowforth, spinster - Alice Quinn can be found at that address in 1939 dob 10 Sep 1876
Listed on the ER
Alice Mowforth
Residence Date 1918
Residence Place Ripon, West Yorkshire, England
Street Address 23, Hookstone Avenue
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It has come together nicely, well done ;D
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It has come together nicely
Wow, Rosie and Ladyhawk, what can I say?
Amazing research by you two.
John
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It was your suggestion that initiated it, we only carried on from where you left off ;D ;D
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Reply #21
Residence Place Ripon, West Yorkshire, England
No such place!
Ripon was in the West Riding of Yorkshire (and since 1974 has been in North Yorkshire).
I make no excuses for pointing out every time that Ancestry has been very careless in assuming the West Riding electoral registers they have obtained from the West Yorkshire Record Office relate to the modern county name. The correct heading is at the beginning of every polling district.
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I am impressed with the information found by Ladyhawk on an Ancestry tree that appears to be properly researched. :)
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I'm not criticising anyone's research. I am criticising Ancestry for misleading hard-working researchers who do their best but are not familiar with the county, past and present. The collection of West Riding electoral registers extends from the border of Nottinghamshire to the border of Westmorland. Modern West Yorkshire is only a fraction of that area, so Ancestry has made a big mistake.
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Sorry MollyC, I was just commenting further after John’s reply as I did not feel I had given Ladyhawk the credit she deserved when I responded to John’s post.
I agree completely with your comments about Ancestry and the names they allocate to districts. My research barely touches Yorkshire so I always have to check which part the records have to come under. Sadly Ancestry seems to use current day areas a lot like Elmbridge, Waverley, Spelthorne instead of the towns of Weybridge, Walton on Thames, Farnham and Staines etc. So many places have been put into areas by Ancestry that were only created by local government reorganisation in the 1970’s or later but they infer they were the names used long before that.
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Cumbria is another minefield. Ancestry will not have noticed that two and half years ago it divided again, into unitary authorities of Cumberland and "Westmorland & Furness". Furness represents the detached part of Lancashire. Boundaries are not identical. Westmorland gained a few parishes from the West Riding in 1974.
I have been checking the numbers. The West Riding was 3.53 times larger in area than West Yorkshire.
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I'm a tad confused! I thought we'd established that the Walter in the USA is different to the one in England who married Mary M Bellerby. How does Walter Quinn get into it?
As to Ancestry they're absolutely hopeless on British counties, I guess being an American company they're not interested in us British!
Cr
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We have eliminated the Walter that went to the USA.
See John’s post reply 11 where he suggests he could be Walter Franks bn 1872 the illegitimate son of Agnes Franks
In 1881 we believe that he is Walter Quinn, the Quinn’s also have a nurse child Gertrude. There is no evidence that Susan Quinn gave birth to Walter Quinn
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To sum it up briefly
Walter Franks bn 1872 cannot be found in 1881 but his mother Agnes has married Thomas Littlechild in 1875 and he is not with them. (One of the marriage witnesses was a John Quinn) The Littlechilds first child was baptised with the same address used on Walter Franks birth certificate and immunisation record.
So where is Walter in 1881, there is no evidence of a death.
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John suggested that Walter Quinn living with John and Susan Quinn in 1881 could be Walter Franks.
He is still with them in 1891 and then he vanishes.
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Then Walter Franks reappears in 1901 following his marriage.
In 1911 neither Walter Franks or Walter Quinn have been located.
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In 1917 Jedburgh, Scotland, Walter Quinn married Alice L Mowforth and he gave his parents names as John Quinn and Susan (Nee Wetherall)
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In 1921 he is in Harrogate with Alice though his birth year is out but his occ Electrical Fitter and birthplace York.
We believe this is his death, the age is more accurate
QUINN, WALTER age 59
GRO Reference: 1932 September Quarter in KNARESBOROUGH Volume 09A Page 121
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To sum it up briefly
Walter Franks bn 1872 cannot be found in 1881 but his mother Agnes has married Thomas Littlechild in 1875 and he is not with them. (One of the marriage witnesses was a John Quinn) The Littlechilds first child was baptised with the same address used on Walter Franks birth certificate and immunisation record.
So where is Walter in 1881, there is no evidence of a death.
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John suggested that Walter Quinn living with John and Susan Quinn in 1881 could be Walter Franks.
He is still with them in 1891 and then he vanishes.
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Then Walter Franks reappears in 1901 following his marriage.
In 1911 neither Walter Franks or Walter Quinn have been located.
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In 1917 Jedburgh, Scotland, Walter Quinn married Alice L Mowforth and he gave his parents names as John Quinn and Susan (Nee Wetherall)
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In 1921 he is in Harrogate with Alice though his birth year is out but his occ Electrical Fitter and birthplace York.
We believe this is his death, the age is more accurate
QUINN, WALTER age 59
GRO Reference: 1932 September Quarter in KNARESBOROUGH Volume 09A Page 121
Well done Rosie - I was just about to post something similar to put it all together from jonwarrn find - there was red writing so I deleted mine as yours is much more compact :)
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I was hoping that the gaps in the summary were covered in the original posts :)
Looking back at it I had originally missed the fact that John Quinn (hopefully the same John Quinn) was a marriage witness to Agnes, mother of Walter.
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To add
I think this is John 69 York & Susan Quinn 66 York address 4 St George Terrace George St York
occupation Batch Mixer In Glass Works on the 1911 census, noted as married 46 years no children
Add marriage FreeBMD
Jun 1864 York 9d 83
names on same page
Quinn John
Weatherill Susan
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Brilliant ;D,
That at least suggests that Walter was probably also a nurse child taken in by the Quinns
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Harrogate Herald 21 February 1917
DRUNK
Walter Quinn, Electrician, of Harrogate, was charged by P.C.Hunter with being drunk in North Park Road the previous night.
Asked if he had any money to pay a fine other than that found in his possession defendant replied that he put what money he could spare into the War Loan last week (Laughter) He said he could get some.
The bench imposed a nominal sum of 5s including costs
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Harrogate Herald 21 February 1917
DRUNK
Walter Quinn, Electrician, of Harrogate, was charged by P.C.Hunter with being drunk in North Park Road the previous night.
Asked if he had any money to pay a fine other than that found in his possession defendant replied that he put what money he could spare into the War Loan last week (Laughter) He said he could get some.
The bench imposed a nominal sum of 5s including costs
Good find Rosie
Can't find Walter Franks/Quinn on the 1911 census ??? Going to check out Alice to see where she was in 1911
There is a Walter Franks age 33 (b1878 :-\) in 1911 Portobello Midlothian looks as if this Walter might have a wife Jeannie and children - sorry don't have sub to SP to check further details
Thought I check out that 1932 death entry
12 September 1932 General Hospital Harrogate U.D.
Walter Quinn age 59 of 51 Hookstone Avenue Oatlands, Pannal R.D.
Occupation Electrician (Journeyman)
Informant widow of deceased Alice L Quinn, same address
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Might be a person of interest in York in 1891, what happened to him?
Walter Quinn, 18, Gas Fitters Apprentice Parents John and Susan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7P55-MN2
Is there a birth reg for him?
Were John and Susan really his parents, who was sister Gertrude?
Here's the 1881/91 census detail
Piece 4725 Folio 100 Page number 16
John Quinn 39 Head City of York
Susan Quinn 36 Wife ditto
Walter QUINN 8 Son ditto
William Fowler 49 Boarder
Elizabeth Fawcett 20 Boarder
Gertrude FIRTH 2 Nurse Child, Hull Yorkshire
1891 Piece 3894 Folio 33
John QUINN 49 Head
Susan ditto 45 Wife
Walter ditto 18 Son born York
Gertrude ditto 12 Daughter born Hull
1 Boarder
Walter married Mary Margaret Bellerby 13 Feb 1897 at Fulford
Marriage image on Anc*y - not sure whether this was mentioned on the thread one of the witnesses to Walter FRANKS marriage was a Gertrude FIRTH
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That 1911 Portobello Franks family looks interesting. I can't see any births for those Franks children on S.P. I wonder where they were registered and under what name.
I don't have a sub either.
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I had some credits so downloaded that 1911 portobello census
1 Baileyfield road. Lots of households at the address.
Walter Franks, 33, born England. Manufacturer and traveller of Celluloid Pen Nibs, own account
Jeannie 28, born Forfarshire, Dundee. Married 8 yrs. 3 children born & living
Jeannie 5 Dundee
Beatrice 1 Edinburgh
A daughter under one month, not named, born portobello
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I had some credits so downloaded that 1911 portobello census
1 Baileyfield road. Lots of households at the address.
Walter Franks, 33, born England. Manufacturer and traveller of Celluloid Pen Nibs, own account
Jeannie 28, born Forfarshire, Dundee. Married 8 yrs. 3 children born & living
Jeannie 5 Dundee
Beatrice 1 Edinburgh
A daughter under one month, not named, born portobello
Not the Elizabeth Quin 685 / 7 / 39
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That 1911 Portobello Franks family looks interesting. I can't see any births for those Franks children on S.P. I wonder where they were registered and under what name.
I’m not finding the births either ??? Nor can I see a suitable marriage Walter Franks to Jeannie
I had some credits so downloaded that 1911 portobello census
1 Baileyfield road. Lots of households at the address.
Walter Franks, 33, born England. Manufacturer and traveller of Celluloid Pen Nibs, own account
Jeannie 28, born Forfarshire, Dundee. Married 8 yrs. 3 children born & living
Jeannie 5 Dundee
Beatrice 1 Edinburgh
A daughter under one month, not named, born portobello
Very kind of you mckha489 - Walter born in England but occupation different :-\ Also not finding the Franks family on 1921 in Scotland
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Thank you very much for your excellent research again all. So it seems that Walter changed his surname when he married in Scotland and died with it, I wonder if he married Alice bigamously or whether he was divorced by then?
Cr
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I wonder if he married Alice bigamously or whether he was divorced by then?
QUINN
WALTER
MOWFORTH
ALICE L
1917
792 / 14
Jedburgh
Would their marriage certificate be of any help?
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Beat me to it Ladyhawk, I was just trying to post the same suggestion
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I had some credits so downloaded that 1911 portobello census
1 Baileyfield road. Lots of households at the address.
Walter Franks, 33, born England. Manufacturer and traveller of Celluloid Pen Nibs, own account
Jeannie 28, born Forfarshire, Dundee. Married 8 yrs. 3 children born & living
Jeannie 5 Dundee
Beatrice 1 Edinburgh
A daughter under one month, not named, born portobello
For info……Could this be the same couple
Walter Edward & Jeannie Franks
Residence Street Address Southend Road
Registration Date 1918 - 1920
Registration Place Edlesborough, England
Polling District Edlesborough
Constituency Place Buckinghamshire
and could this be their daughter marrying?
Marriage 16 Nov 1935 Saint Mary the Virgin, Primrose Hill: Primrose Hill Road, Camden
Beatrice Agnes Franks Age 25 Father Walter Edward Franks deceased
Spouse Arthur Cannon King, One witness James E Franks
image on Anc*y - edited to add possible death /burial of her father
FRANKS, WALTER EDWARD 52
GRO Reference: 1929 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 209
Burial 14 May 1929 St Marylebone Cemetery - image on anc*y
added snippet ER
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If the Walter Franks in Portobello isn't the right chap, there is a Walter Quinn from York in Harrogate (Knaresborough RD) in 1911
Transcript says he is 34, Single, Electrician Fitter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWNV-ZYZ
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It is even transcribed properly on FindMyPast, how did I miss that ::). ;D
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Just to completely rule him out
Walter Edward the Pen Nib manufacturer is, with family, in Islington in 1921.
Indexed as FRANKIS on FindMyPast.
Born Birmingham. 43 & 7 mths
James E Franks witness at the marriage earlier is James Edward Franks b 16 July 1915.
Supposedly born Tottenham. Trying to find his birth for completeness, (to get Jeannie’s surname) . Failing!
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If the Walter Franks in Portobello isn't the right chap, there is a Walter Quinn from York in Harrogate (Knaresborough RD) in 1911
Transcript says he is 34, Single, Electrician Fitter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWNV-ZYZ
Well found Jonwarrn - at least the Walter Franks in Scotland in 1911 can now be ruled out :)
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I thought we were going for the Walter who died in Knaresborough which would fit with the 1911 census?
Cr
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Walter married Mary Margaret Bellerby (1877-1940) 13 Feb 1897 at Fulford, they had 3 children: Harriet Susan Gertrude born Q1 1898, John Henry born Q1 1899 and Arthur Thomas born 4 May 1900 all in York.
on the 1911 Mary and all 3 children appeared but without Walter.
I thought we were going for the Walter who died in Knaresborough which would fit with the 1911 census?
Cr
Yes we are
Your Walter Franks hadn’t been found on 1911 census and a Walter Franks was found in Scotland on 1911 census and I wondered if that might be him
jonwarrn then found your Walter with matching occupation as Walter Quinn on 1911 census in Knaresborough.
If the Walter Franks in Portobello isn't the right chap, there is a Walter Quinn from York in Harrogate (Knaresborough RD) in 1911
Transcript says he is 34, Single, Electrician Fitter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWNV-ZYZ
Brought forward summary from Rosie
To sum it up briefly
Walter Franks bn 1872 cannot be found in 1881 but his mother Agnes has married Thomas Littlechild in 1875 and he is not with them. (One of the marriage witnesses was a John Quinn) The Littlechilds first child was baptised with the same address used on Walter Franks birth certificate and immunisation record.
So where is Walter in 1881, there is no evidence of a death.
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John suggested that Walter Quinn living with John and Susan Quinn in 1881 could be Walter Franks.
He is still with them in 1891 and then he vanishes.
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Then Walter Franks reappears in 1901 following his marriage.
In 1911 neither Walter Franks or Walter Quinn have been located.
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In 1917 Jedburgh, Scotland, Walter Quinn married Alice L Mowforth and he gave his parents names as John Quinn and Susan (Nee Wetherall)
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In 1921 he is in Harrogate with Alice though his birth year is out but his occ Electrical Fitter and birthplace York.
We believe this is his death, the age is more accurate
QUINN, WALTER age 59
GRO Reference: 1932 September Quarter in KNARESBOROUGH Volume 09A Page 121
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Seems as if Walter is a complete mystery, probably separated from Mary prior to 1911 and went his own way.
Cr
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I wonder if he married Alice bigamously or whether he was divorced by then?
QUINN
WALTER
MOWFORTH
ALICE L
1917
792 / 14
Jedburgh
Would their marriage certificate be of any help?
It would certainly be interesting to see what information is on this marriage certificate which is available from Scotlands People
Ladyhawk has already very kindly purchased the death certificate for you, reply 38
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On the marriage certificate at Scotlands People, he is recorded as a batchelor aged 43, an electrical fitter, parents John Quinn a yard foreman and Susan Quinn mmn Wetherall. Alice resided at 23 Hookstone Avenue, Harrogate whilst Walter was at Crown Lane, Jedburgh, witnesses William & Susan J Robson.
Cr
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Thank you for posting the marriage certificate information. :)
Rosie
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CR - thanks for letting us know the marriage details :)
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I had some credits left on SP so requested it even though he's not a direct ancestor but married into my tree via Mary M.
Do the marriage details help?
Cr
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I suspect that the Robson's could have been who he was living with in Scotland. I can't see anything helpful in the newspapers though.
The fact that when Walter Franks married Mary Margaret Bellerby he named his father as JOHN Franks (Deceased) and one of the witnesses was Gertrude Firth who had been living with the John & Susan Quinn in 1881 at the same time as Walter QUINN it has to be the same person.
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Thank you rosie99 foe summing it up.
Cr