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Title: Can't work out this name
Post by: Gallicrow on Tuesday 25 November 25 19:01 GMT (UK)
It's from the flyleaf of a book, dated around 1890.
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: AlanBoyd on Tuesday 25 November 25 19:06 GMT (UK)
? J. S. W Tear

although the absence of a dot after the proposed ‘W’ is slightly disconcerting.

Added: some version of McTear?

More: there is a record of a J.S.McTear in Northern Ireland first decade of 20th century.
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: AlanBoyd on Tuesday 25 November 25 19:14 GMT (UK)
J S McTear seems to have published a book on Symbolic Logic, and judging by some letters to newspapers was interested in card games. I cannot find a chess connection.

Correction: I think he was a bookseller and was advertising this book. The interest in card games still stands.
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Gallicrow on Tuesday 25 November 25 19:44 GMT (UK)
Brilliant! Thanks very much.
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Eyesee on Tuesday 25 November 25 20:23 GMT (UK)
I have noticed that sometimes Irish names starting with Mc, such as McTear don't always have the c, but are written M'Tear.

Could that be a ' in front of the T.

Ian C
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Gallicrow on Tuesday 25 November 25 20:59 GMT (UK)
I wonder if it could be John Smith McTear, who is listed as a board game designer on this page:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/65239/john-smith-mctear

He's described as a "Solicitor and Author" in the 1911 Irish census.

Here's the link to the book with his signature:
https://www.thomsonroddick.com/catalogue/lot/ae49ba335f19e8b83d066c6bf704b481/234ee8408ea626887a25312564534f0c/carlisle-thursday-4th-december-2025-at-1130am275-lot-167/
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 25 November 25 21:33 GMT (UK)

He's described as a "Solicitor and Author" in the 1911 Irish census.


https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Arthur_Street/133336/

...and in 1901 census.
House 43 in Clifton Road (Bangor, Down).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Clifton_Road/1252737/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000763064/

Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 26 November 25 07:16 GMT (UK)
Addresses from his adverts in The Bookseller:

1894 1 Croom Villas, Bangor, Co. Down
[Added: various newspaper items for Croom Villa, Clifton Road, Bangor]
1897 [same address]
1902 [same address]

letter to Pall Mall Gazette, 1905
Belfast

letter to Pall Mall Gazette, 1907
6 Arthur Chambers, Belfast

During the same period as the last item above the same address is associated with adverts for properties to let via "G. K, Smith & McTear"

1907 is the last year that he appears with the Arthur Chambers address (or at all that I can see), by 1912 it is associated with Walter Smyth, solicitor
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Eyesee on Wednesday 26 November 25 07:21 GMT (UK)
Died in Bangor, Co. Down in 1913

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05330/4483798.pdf

Ian C
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 26 November 25 07:31 GMT (UK)
Added: this is already covered in reply #5

He invented a card game: ‘Penchant’

https://www.abstractgames.org/penchant.html

British Museum General Catalogue of Printed Books 1964
Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 26 November 25 07:32 GMT (UK)

Probate of the Will of John Smith McTear late of 10 Arthur Street Belfast Solicitor who died 7 September 1913 at Bangor granted at Belfast to Margaret McTear and Frances M.McTear Spinster.
Date of Grant :   20 March 1914
Effects : £2,932 11s. 4d.


https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx


Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 26 November 25 07:41 GMT (UK)

Buried: Clifton Street Cemetery, Belfast, County Antrim
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/276190674/john-smith-mctear


Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 26 November 25 14:25 GMT (UK)

Died in Bangor, Co. Down in 1913

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05330/4483798.pdf

The informant for his death was Charlotte McTear (sister).

Her marriage to James King Kerr - 12 August 1873.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11276/8136222.pdf

The witnesses at the marriage include Margaret McTear, Frances Mary McTear and George McTear.


Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 30 November 25 10:25 GMT (UK)

Adding to the story-

Quote
The witnesses at the marriage include Margaret McTear, Frances Mary McTear and George McTear.

Margaret McTear Death 1916
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05254/4457047.pdf
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/276190675/margaret-mctear

Probate of the Will of Margaret McTear late of Creevelea Knock Belfast Spinster who died 17 March 1916 granted at Belfast to Frances M. McTear Spinster.
Date of Grant : 15 September 1916
Effects:  £3,094 2s. 9d.


Frances M McTear Death 1934     https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Frances   McTear   4th February 1934        88       Female    Belfast
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/276190673/frances-mary-mctear

McTear Frances Mary of Creevelea Kings Road Knock Belfast spinster died 4 February 1934 Probate Belfast 18 June to Robert Watts solicitor and reverend Herbert John Rossington unitarian clergyman. Effects £2268 0s. 1d.


Title: Re: Can't work out this name
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 03 December 25 08:22 GMT (UK)

Adding more information on the McTear family history for the OP-

Both McTear sisters in 1901 census
House 33 in Knock Church Road (Pottinger, Down)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Knock_Church_Road/1220804/

1911 census Margaret McTear
House 26 in King's Road (Pottinger (part of), Down)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/King_s_Road/228599/

A George McTear's death 1909. Informant J S McTear (brother).
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05473/4532051.pdf
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146507240/george-mctear

Marriage George McTear to Diana Girdwood - 9 April 1874.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11191/8100999.pdf