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I am looking for informtion re:
Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese AKA Friedrich I am ble to find lots of online information but so discrepancies are worrying me.
is buried in Handorf as is his 2nd wife Anna Eliza Elizabeth Schach - marraige 1 Aug 1851, Adelaide, SA Trinity Church they are both recorded as being Single?
I have the burials for for the Couple in Hahndorf and that The WIESE blacksmith business in Hahndorf was a coach-building and blacksmithing firm.
I have is all the online information ie
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~moadfamily/family/Family/PS37/PS37_421.HTM
but the problem I have
I can find is that his first wife Anna Catharina Maria Frenktrog/Trenktrog is still alive in 1857 in Germany
I can't find an immigration for "Friedrich" and for his son Ernst (Ernest) from his first marriage ... there is a immgration in 1853 for an Ernst born Wandsbek, Holstein aged 8 except this child arrives comes with his Father and Mother
Departure Date 18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Any help would be appreciated!
Cheran
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This is the information on the family from Biographical Index of South Australians, a resource which has occasional errors, but is frequently more accurate than online trees.
Notes on Find a Grave are from contributors. Not necessarily validated.
WIESE Peter Claus Fried Niagian b: 1815
Bramfeld, Berkstadt, Holstein, Germany
d: 28.3.1893 Hahndorf SA arr: 1849*
occ: Wheelwright,Blacksmith, Councillor
Residences: Hahndorf, Charlestown, Springton
rel: Luth
m: (1/2) unknown ch: Ern
m: (2/2) 1851 SA* Anna Elis nee SCHACH b: 1820
Lanken, Germany d: Dec.1889 Hahndorf SA
arr: 1847 HELotsr ch: Elis, Herman (1852-1880),
Chas (1855-1938), Sena Augta (1857-), Wm (1858-),
Whma Augta PAECH(1 860-1953), Paul (1862-1930)
Sue
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This from the same source about son Ernest
WIESE Ernest b: c1844 d: 25.6.1885 bd: WTC
arr: by 1873 occ: Coachsmith res: Adelaide rel: C/E
m: Eliza Victoria b: c1847 d: 12.9.1925 ch: Ada Jane
(1873-), Emma Frances (1881-), Ethel May (1885-)
Sue
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Thanks Sue 8)
I found Anna Elizabeth on the Diane Cummins website
https://bound-for-south-australia.collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/1847Heloise.htm
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Are there any primary sources that prove that the Peter Friedrich Elias WIESE from Wandsbeck is definitely the same person as the Frederick WIESE from Bramfeld who married Eliza Schach Adelaide in 1851 (Holy Trinity: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKS-M9VL-R?cat=koha%253A345079&i=258 (Cert#1743))?
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Use this site....keyword........Wiese........
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx
has naturalisation records back to mid 19th century for WEISE.....
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thanks for this...
I found Frederich Wiese blacksmith of Hahndorf Naturalisation Page.... 1865 been in south australia 16 years so now to find a record of him arriving in 1849. his place of birth agrees with th information Bramfeld, Stadt Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany
I also Found Ernst Probate record 1885 states formerly of Hahndorf
Are there any primary sources that prove that the Peter Friedrich Elias WIESE from Wandsbeck is definitely the same person as the Frederick WIESE from Bramfeld who married Eliza Schach Adelaide in 1851 (Holy Trinity: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKS-M9VL-R?cat=koha%253A345079&i=258 (Cert#1743))?
Cheran
I haven't found any except the Find a Grave https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201493348/peter-eleus_friedrich-wiese
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201491623/elisabeth-wiese
Friedrich Wiese, who settled in Hahndorf in the early 1850s, established the blacksmith and coach-building business.
Family business: Wiese's son, Wilhelm August Wiese, worked with him in the business.
William's death in WA
Surname Wiese
Given Names William
Sex M
Age 57
Father Frederich WIESE
Mother Unknown SCHARCH
Place of Death Ora Banda
Year of Death 1915
Registration District Broad Arrow
Registration Number 1000005
Registration Year 1915
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I would suggest posting on the Europe Board of this forum.
You need to establish the name of Ernest's mother with certainty and to seek his parents marriage and her death.
I have not been able to locate any verification of these events and do not have worldwide sub to Ancestry.
Familysearch.org might be a source.
Sue
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Will do...
Thankyou
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FYI
The Weise family in Wandsbe(c)k in the 1845 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99G4-M9SZ-2?cat=koha%253A532828&i=599 (left page)
Dad appears to be a factory worker and Mum seems to have been born in Sühlen, a village abt 7k’s from the city Bad Oldesloe ...
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That's a help Tree Spirit. ;)
I wonder if we could get a complete translation from anyone in the forum.
Is the last listing in the household mother in law?
The surname looks as if it is the same as the maiden name of Catharina in Cheran's first post.
Sue
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Hi Cheran, have you looked at Trove for arrivals? It's a free site,
My family arrived from Holstein also in 1849, via Hamburg.
They came on the "Australia".
Maybe you could check the passenger list?
Chris
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Hi,
If you are looking for German translation try to find DaveCapps52 on the German aboard.or whatever. He has helped me with a lot of German records and translations. .
He is very helpful. Essnell
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FYI
The Weise family in Wandsbe(c)k in the 1845 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99G4-M9SZ-2?cat=koha%253A532828&i=599 (left page)
Dad appears to be a factory worker and Mum seems to have been born in Sühlen, a village abt 7k’s from the city Bad Oldesloe ...
Thanks for this .... I am away this weeked but looking forward to going through when I am home
Cheran
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This is a danish census
This part of Germany was danish at that time
Fr(iedrich) Wiese - 30 verh(eiratet) - Bergstedt - Fabrikarbeiter
Cathar(ine) Drenktrog - 30 - idem - Sühlen - dessen Frau
Louise Wiese - 3 – unverheiratet – Wandsbek – kind
Ernest – 1 – unverheiratet – idem - kind
ein ungetauften Pflegekind aus Hamburg
Friedrich Wiese - 30 married - Bergstedt - Factory worker
Catharine Drenktrog - 30 - same - Sühlen - his wife
Louise Wiese - 3 – unmarried – Wandsbek – child
Ernest – 1 – unmarried – same - child
an unbaptized child from Hamburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War
Emigration wave of 1851: After the defeat in the Schleswig-Holstein uprising against Denmark, many Schleswig-Holsteiners emigrated to avoid serving in the danish army
Dave
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This is a danish census
This part of Germany was danish at that time
Fr(iedrich) Wiese - 30 verh(eiratet) - Bergstedt - Fabrikarbeiter
Cathar(ine) Drenktrog - 30 - idem - Sühlen - dessen Frau
Louise Wiese - 3 – unverheiratet – Wandsbek – kind
Ernest – 1 – unverheiratet – idem - kind
ein ungetauften Pflegekind aus Hamburg
Friedrich Wiese - 30 married - Bergstedt - Factory worker
Catharine Drenktrog - 30 - same - Sühlen - his wife
Louise Wiese - 3 – unmarried – Wandsbek – child
Ernest – 1 – unmarried – same - child
an unbaptized child from Hamburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War
Emigration wave of 1851: After the defeat in the Schleswig-Holstein uprising against Denmark, many Schleswig-Holsteiners emigrated to avoid serving in the danish army
Dave
Thanks Dave that's a huge Help
I have the following I am wondering if you point in the right direction to confirm:
Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese marriage to Anna Catherine Maria Frenktrog married 27 Mar 1842 Bad Oldesloe, Stormarn, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
Daughter Louisa born 24 Jan 1842 Wandsbeck, Hamburg, Holstein, Germany
Son Ernst born 29 Feb 1844 Hamburg Germany
Catherine Frenktrog Death 21 Mar 1857 Wandsbeck, Storman County, Germany
Cheran
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I wonder is the unbaptised child a member of the family?
Seems a curious way to describe a person.
Sue
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The child was a Pflegekind - Foster Child
Could have been the child of a deceased family member
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Well that makes it hard now! time for another trip back to the library
I will have to go back and check the shipping records to the Ernst who arrived in south australia 1854
Name Ernst Wiese
Departure Age 8
Birth Date abt 1845
Birth Place Wandsbek, Holstein
Departure Date 18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Destination Port Adelaide
Arrival Place Port Adelaide
Relationship Sohn (Son)
Ship Name Iserbrook
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I have found a couple of docs that will be of interest to you. Get back to you tomorrow when i have transcribed and translated them
The wifes Name is Trenktrog on Both docs
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thanks David you have been a fantastic help!
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I have access to the Wandsbek church records but there are no Births for 1844-1845
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I have their marriage, her death and Luise birth
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David
it will be interesting!
I will check at the German passenger lists next week when I am at "Genie" as it does have a record of an Ernst arriving with in 1854.
For now, I have changed my Ernst in my database as "Fostered"
and I still haven't worked out how "Friedrich" comes to South Australia by all accounts and marries here before his wife's death!
Again
Thanks for taking the time to look at this little family!
Cheran
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Hi Cheran, have you looked at Trove for arrivals? It's a free site,
My family arrived from Holstein also in 1849, via Hamburg.
They came on the "Australia".
Maybe you could check the passenger list?
Chris
Chris I haven't too much joy on Trove but I did find Friedrich's sister and her husband
Heinrich and Regina Jahn (Regina Margaretha Katherina Wiese) arrived on the Australia in 1855 they came as a married couple but married a month after their 5 March 1855 arrival on the 10th April 1855 at Holy Trinity North Terrace.
SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. (1855, March 5). South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900), p. 2. Retrieved December 2, 2025, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article49305381
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Well that makes it hard now! time for another trip back to the library
I will have to go back and check the shipping records to the Ernst who arrived in south australia 1854
Name Ernst Wiese
Departure Age 8
Birth Date abt 1845
Birth Place Wandsbek, Holstein
Departure Date 18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Destination Port Adelaide
Arrival Place Port Adelaide
Relationship Sohn (Son)
Ship Name Iserbrook
I can see the record I was looking for:
Household members
Name Age
Ludw. H. E. Wiese
Wiese
Ernst Wiese
another mystery....Friedrich possibly has a brother Ludwig Heinrich Engal born about 1810 but I can't see any records so far in South Australia.....
on the marriage record Ernst records his father as Friedrich so I am probaby getting 2 families mixed up!
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Well that makes it hard now! time for another trip back to the library
I will have to go back and check the shipping records to the Ernst who arrived in south australia 1854
Name Ernst Wiese
Departure Age 8
Birth Date abt 1845
Birth Place Wandsbek, Holstein
Departure Date 18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Destination Port Adelaide
Arrival Place Port Adelaide
Relationship Sohn (Son)
Ship Name Iserbrook
The 'Iserbrook' arrived in Adelaide from Hamburg on 14th March 1854. The passenger manifest only lists 'Wiese'. Passengers arriving as couples or families are numbered as 'Schmidt 2', etc so it appears this Wiese was alone. He would of been 9 years old so perhaps there were relatives or friends also on board.
bitzar.
EDIT: I have also checked Adelaide incoming vessels from Germany/Danmark from 1845-1851 and no one stands out Friedrich Wiese. There are 2 single men with that surname and also probably a third with wrongly transcribed surname.
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David
it will be interesting!
I will check at the German passenger lists next week when I am at "Genie" as it does have a record of an Ernst arriving with in 1854.
For now, I have changed my Ernst in my database as "Fostered"
and I still haven't worked out how "Friedrich" comes to South Australia by all accounts and marries here before his wife's death!
Again
Thanks for taking the time to look at this little family!
Cheran
On the Census
No 1 is the father
No 2 the mother
No 3 Luise
No 4 is Ernst
No 5 is the unknown, unbaptised Foster child from Hamburg
Ernst is Not a Foster child
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Ship Iserbrook -
passengers from Hamburg 16/3/1854
The following Information was compiled by Reg Butler (1941 / 2024) Hahndorf Historian and extracted from his computer files.
The original files can be accessed by arranging a visit to the Hahndorf Archives
https://localwiki.org/adelaide-hills/Ship_Iserbrook_%2816March1854%29
WIESE, Ludwig HE (//-//). Cooper from Wandsbeck, Holstein, Denmark.
WIESE, Mrs LHE (//-//)
WIESE, Ernst (//c1845-25/6/1885). Died Adelaide SA. Coachsmith; Adelaide (Russell St). Could be the wrong identification.
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David
it will be interesting!
I will check at the German passenger lists next week when I am at "Genie" as it does have a record of an Ernst arriving with in 1854.
For now, I have changed my Ernst in my database as "Fostered"
and I still haven't worked out how "Friedrich" comes to South Australia by all accounts and marries here before his wife's death!
Again
Thanks for taking the time to look at this little family!
Cheran
On the Census
No 1 is the father
No 2 the mother
No 3 Luise
No 4 is Ernst
No 5 is the unknown, unbaptised Foster child from Hamburg
Ernst is Not a Foster child
Thanks David..
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all excerpts are from www.archion.de
Schleswig-Holstein > Landeskirchliches Archiv der Evangelisch-Lutherischen Kirche in Norddeutschland > Kirchenkreis Hamburg-Ost > Wandsbek >
we´ll start with their marriage
Marriage 1852
März 27
der hieß(ige) Hufschmied Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese. Der weil(and)
Peter Rudolf Wiese in Bramfeld u(nd) der weil(and) Catharina
Stademann ehl(iche) Sohn, geb(orn) 1814 den 10 Juli
mit
seiner Braut, Anna Catharina Maria Trenktrog ?
des Schusters Hans Jacob Trenktrog in Sühlen, Kirch-
spiels Oldesloe u(nd) der Catharina Dorothea geb(orene) Ramm
ehel(iche) Tochter, geb(oren) 10 Aug. 1814
der Bräutigam von Dr Westphal im Jahre 1821 vacciniert. Die Braut
von Dr Hagelstein in Oldesloe am 18 Sept 1815
geimpft
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Bridegroom: the local Blacksmith Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese, born 10 July 1814
legitimate son of the deceased Peter Rudolf Wiese from Bramfeld and his deceased
wife Catharina Stademann
with
Bride: Anna Catharina Maria Trenktrog, born 10 Aug 1814
legitimate daughter of the Shoemaker Hans Jacob Trenktrog in Sühlen, parish of Oldesloe
and Catharina Dorothea nee Ramm
The bridegroom was vaccinated by Dr Westphal in the year of 1821
The bride from Dr Hagelstein in Oldesloe on the 18 Sept 1815
Note:
Smallpox, broke out repeatedly, especially in the 18th century, and due to the frequency of epidemics due to this no couple in Schleswig-Holstein were allowed to marry without proof of a smallpox vaccination
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more to follow
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Thats amazing David!
Thankyou... 8) 8) 8)
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I can't find an immigration for "Friedrich" and for his son Ernst (Ernest) from his first marriage ... there is a immgration in 1853 for an Ernst born Wandsbek, Holstein aged 8 except this child arrives comes with his Father and Mother
Departure Date 18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Any help would be appreciated!
Cheran
Adding to Neale's Reply #28
Is it not possible that the child Ernest is their nephew not son?
There is a 1865 Naturalisation certificate digitised for Ludwig Heinrich Engal WIESE.
A cooper.
Aged 54. Has been in Australia 11 years.
Born Wandsteck, Holstein.
Sue
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I can't find an immigration for "Friedrich" and for his son Ernst (Ernest) from his first marriage ... there is a immgration in 1853 for an Ernst born Wandsbek, Holstein aged 8 except this child arrives comes with his Father and Mother
Departure Date 18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Any help would be appreciated!
Cheran
Adding to Neale's Reply #28
Is it not possible that the child Ernest is their nephew not son?
There is a 1865 Naturalisation certificate digitised for Ludwig Heinrich Engal WIESE.
A cooper.
Aged 54. Has been in Australia 11 years.
Born Wandsteck, Holstein.
Sue
That's what I have been Thinking Sue!
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There are newspaper sightings for L H WIESE, a cooper, to 1872 in South Australia.
I do not see any after this in 1872.
I do not speak German, but it is perhaps a goodbye and thank you to friends as he and his wife are leaving
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/83781123?searchTerm=%22l%20h%20wiese%22
Sue
ADDING. FYI
L H WIESE. A cooper in Adelaide. Exhibiting his work 1868
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31975920?searchTerm=%22l%20h%20wiese%22
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When Ernst married Eliza Nobbs in 1865, HE said his father was Frederick Wiese.
bitzar.
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Death Cath. Trenktrog 1857
Died 21 März
buried 24 März
Frau Catharina Maria Wiese geb(orene) Trenktrog
Ehefrau des Schlossers Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
der vor Jahren nach Australien ausgewandert
ist. Sie hinterläßt 2 Kinder: den Sohn Ernst den
der Vater mit sich genommen. 2; Luise, alt
41 Jahrn, in Oldesloe gebürtig. Am Mutter (Grimme) Koliken
Mrs Catharina Maria Wiese nee Trenktrog
wife of the fitter/mechanic Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
who emigrated to Australia years ago
she leaves 2 remaining children.
A son Ernst, who the father took with him to Australia
a daughter Luise
she was born in Oldesloe and died, at the age of 41, on colic
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Death Cath. Trenktrog 1857
Died 21 März
buried 24 März
Frau Catharina Maria Wiese geb(orene) Trenktrog
Ehefrau des Schlossers Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
der vor Jahren nach Australien ausgewandert
ist. Sie hinterläßt 2 Kinder: den Sohn Ernst den
der Vater mit sich genommen. 2; Luise, alt
41 Jahrn, in Oldesloe gebürtig. Am Mutter (Grimme) Koliken
Mrs Catharina Maria Wiese nee Trenktrog
wife of the fitter/mechanic Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
who emigrated to Australia years ago
she leaves 2 remaining children.
A son Ernst, who the father took with him to Australia
a daughter Luise
she was born in Oldesloe and died, at the age of 41, on colic
Thank you.... :)
The records are so comprehensive, wish we did that here in our early days in South Australia.
Cheran
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When Ernst married Eliza Nobbs in 1865, HE said his father was Frederick Wiese.
bitzar.
Thank you!
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thanks again
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Death Cath. Trenktrog 1857
Died 21 März
buried 24 März
Frau Catharina Maria Wiese geb(orene) Trenktrog
Ehefrau des Schlossers Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
der vor Jahren nach Australien ausgewandert
ist. Sie hinterläßt 2 Kinder: den Sohn Ernst den
der Vater mit sich genommen. 2; Luise, alt
41 Jahrn, in Oldesloe gebürtig. Am Mutter (Grimme) Koliken
Mrs Catharina Maria Wiese nee Trenktrog
wife of the fitter/mechanic Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
who emigrated to Australia years ago
she leaves 2 remaining children.
A son Ernst, who the father took with him to Australia
a daughter Luise
she was born in Oldesloe and died, at the age of 41, on colic
This is a research 'mike drop' moment! :o
bitzar.
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birth Louise 1853
born Jan 24
bap. Feb 27
Louise Wiese, uneheliche Tochter der Catharina Maria Trenktrog
des Schusters Hans Jakob Trenktrog in Sühlen bei Oldesoe, Tochter und angeblich
wie eingeständlich der hies(igen) Fabrikarbeiter Peter Elias Friedrich Wiese.
G(vatter)
1 Johan Ludwig Andreas Hummler aus Wandsbek
2 jgfr(Jungfrau) Bertha Maria Lange aus Wandsbek
3 Fr (Frau) Marga(reta) Cathar(ina) Kelling aus Hamm
Hebamme Frau Lierssen
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Catharina Maria Trenktrog gave birth to a baby girl, Louise Wiese, on Jan 24, baptised 27 Feb
she was the daughter of the shoemaker Hans Jakob Trenktrog in Sühlen, Oldesoe
The alleged factory worker Peter Elias Friedrich Wiese admitted
Godparents
1 Johan Ludwig Andreas Hummler from Wandsbek
2 Spinster Bertha Maria Lange from Wandsbek
3 Frau Margareta Catharina Kelling aus Hamm
Midwife Frau Lierssen