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1948
St Aidan, Preston
James Southworth
Isabella Hodgetts
Registered June Qtr 1948
Many Thanks in anticipation
Steve
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Look up where?
Have you checked with Lancashire Records Office whether they hold these records or whether they are still held by the church
Church phone number
01772 335310
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Thanks
I will try ringing tomorrow
Steve
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What particular info are you looking for on the marriage cert?
Isabella was born 1895 as Topping. There is no marriage to Hodgetts but the 1921 census shows her as Isabella Topping housekeeper to Joseph Edmund Hodgetts
Joseph was b 1887 Preston - here's a marriage for him & 1921 entry shows him as married
Marriages Mar 1913 Lancs BMD shows it was a civil marriage
Hodgetts Joseph E Smalley Preston 8e 1079
Smalley Mary A Hodgetts Preston 8e 1079
2 children born to the marriage - 1913 & 1914
The 2 children on the 1921 are shown as Hodgetts but the boy Joseph's birth was registered as Topping & Doris as Hodgetts mmn Topping
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1939 - Mary Alice Hodgetts b 1886 is shown as married & only died in 1974
1939 - Joseph Hodgetts is shown as married but is living alone. He died 28.3.1962. He left a will - probate via a firm of solicitors
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Thanks for the info provided
I need to find James Southworths fathers name and occupation
I know James died 1980,
FreeBMD has only one James Southworth who died in 1980 and gives a date of birth as 24th September 1922
Unfortunately the General Register Office has two James Southworths born in 1922, both births registered in the December qtr in Preston
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FreeBMD has only one James Southworth who died in 1980 and gives a date of birth as 24th September 1922
That one is in the 1939 Register in Lynn Place, Preston
Inferred parents James and Susannah. James senior is a general building contractors ganger.
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Thanks for the info provided
I need to find James Southworths fathers name and occupation
I know James died 1980,
FreeBMD has only one James Southworth who died in 1980 and gives a date of birth as 24th September 1922
Unfortunately the General Register Office has two James Southworths born in 1922, both births registered in the December qtr in Preston
He appears in 1939 war register with that dob. His parents are James & Susannah Williams.
SS
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This marriage ties in with a James with the correct birth date on the pre war register
Marriage Mar qtr 1921
Southworth, James
Stewart, Susannah
Preston 8e 1211
Susanna was previously married
Marriage Dec qtr 1905
Stewart Edward
WILLIAMS Susannah
Preston 8e 1013
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I know James died 1980,
Isabella was b 1895 - James Southworth 1922 - 27yr age difference??
EDIT
See reply below
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I think we are looking at the daughters marriage - not the mothers. Daughter was b 1926
Births
HODGETTS, ISABELLE TOPPING
GRO Reference: 1926 J Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 737
Did you ring the church/records office to see who had the records?
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Believe Isabelle Southworth died 2013. Cannot confirm my gro entry playing up.
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Deaths
SOUTHWORTH, ISABELLE 1926
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2013 in LANCASHIRE (591-1A) Entry Number 507851178
2 children born to the marriage 1949 & 1952. Are they still alive? Can they help with parental details for James?
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Terrance born 1952 is deceased and it is believed James is also deceased
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The on line catalogue for the Lancashire Records Office shows they hold the Parish Records for St Aidans, Bamber Bridge, Preston
I cannot find either of the James Southworths born in 1922, both births registered in the December qtr in Preston. On the 1939 register
I have found a WWII medal card for a James Southworth, in the Durham Light Infantry, The Service Group Number is the same as the correct James Southworth's date of birth
All the help and suggestions is appreciated
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Lancashire Archives
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You could ask the Records Office to do the look up for you but I think they charge but don't know how much.
Unless somebody is going to LRO & is willing to look it up for you the alternative is to buy the marriage cert which is £12.50. Compare the cost with whatever the LRO charge & go for the cheapest
Another cheaper alternative is to download digital copies of both those 1922 birth certs and see which has the right birthdate. It's a better way as it gives both parents names and a digital copy only costs £3 so total cost £6
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If you are going to chase the parish record, Lancashire BMD shows the marriage at Preston, St Aidan - not Bamber Bridge St Aidan.
It’s hard to track the church down, but it seems to be ‘ evangelical C o E’, Elcho Street.
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/898329/P.pdf
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This marriage ties in with a James with the correct birth date on the pre war register
Marriage Mar qtr 1921
Southworth, James
Stewart, Susannah
Preston 8e 1211
Susanna was previously married
Marriage Dec qtr 1905
Stewart Edward
WILLIAMS Susannah
Preston 8e 1013
Another cheaper alternative is to download digital copies of both those 1922 birth certs and see which has the right birthdate. It's a better way as it gives both parents names and a digital copy only costs £3 so total cost £6
For info.
SOUTHWORTH, JAMES mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1922 D Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 694
The other James Southworth
SOUTHWORTH, JAMES mmn SCOWCROFT
GRO Reference: 1922 D Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 670
This could be parents marriage Lancashire BMD
SOUTHWORTH James
SCOWCROFT Sarah Jane
1907 Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended
Anna Southworth Birth 31 Aug 1909
Baptism 5 Sep 1909 St. Ignatius Preston, Lancashire
Father Jacobi Southworth Mother Sara Joanna nee Scowcroft
SOUTHWORTH, ANN SCOWCROFT
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 464
1911 James Southworth & family visitors at 38 Berry Street Preston Head Marmaduke Taylor
SOUTHWORTH, LILIAN SCOWCROFT
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 554
1921 James Southworth in Much Hoole, Lancashire, wife Sarah Jane using her middle name Jane Southworth
Edit to add Jun 1915 Mary Southworth mmn Scowcroft Preston 8e 951
1939 Preston James Southworth born 29 May 1879, Sarah J born 7 Feb 1885, Ann born 31 Aug 1909 and Ann Scowcroft born 25 May 1861
Added there is this possible death entry
James Southworth Death Age 7
Registration Sep 1930 Preston 8e Page 499
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If you are going to chase the parish record, Lancashire BMD shows the marriage at Preston, St Aidan - not Bamber Bridge St Aidan.
It’s hard to track the church down, but it seems to be ‘ evangelical C o E’, Elcho Street.
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/898329/P.pdf
Just to say that there are a couple of newspaper snippets from the 1940s mentioning St Aidan’s, Elcho Street, Preston. It would be worth checking with the archives.
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Many Thanks for the info
I wrongly thought there was only one St Aidan
I think you mean the following
PRESTON, Elcho St – Evangelical C of E (St Aidan)
M 1946-1976 Orig reg NMR 3/1-2
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That’s what it says in the link I posted so looks good.
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