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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Ricky Mitico on Sunday 23 November 25 16:22 GMT (UK)
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Hello everybody, I’m worried it’ll be a too difficult research, but I’ll give it a try. My name’s Riccardo Russo and I made recently a big research about my father’s family tree. And I found a relative who emigrated to the U.S. in 1911, his name was Alessandro Russo, b. 1895 in Ginosa (near Taranto), father of 5 children, married with a Louisa (née ??), b. 1894 in Saviano (near Neaples), his occupation was barber, they lived in Brooklin. My great-grandfater, Gerardo Russo, b. 1875, son of Pietro Russo, a tanner, and Emilia Luisi, had this younger brother Alessandro. In family there was this memory of an uncle who emigrated a long time ago to the U.S., but none still living at the end of XX century knew anything about him. I found the Ellis Island register of his arrival, by the ship Duca di Genova, from Neaples and arrived on 25-26 Dec. 1911 to NY and even his petition for naturalization, dated 1941. The petition contains the exact names and birth days of his 5 children and the home address. Due to the fact that 4 of the children were female, so could be difficult to find the descendants now, but if any of them knows anything or is searching for some family roots, please pm me, I got info about these Russo/Luisi ancestors from Ginosa up to 1809. #AlessandroRusso #EmiliaRusso #MaryRusso #MargaretRusso #PeterRusso #AnnaRusso https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJPN-9MX?lang=en&cid=fs_copy
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2565122
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Hello Ricky
This is the MARRIAGE of Alessandro Russo to Louisa Sabatino in New York in 1916
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8971112
1940 census Russo family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ9V-F2P?lang=en
This is the family in 1950 census
Children Peter, Amelia, Anna and Mary are still single and living at home.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XTP-CFZT?lang=en
Are you wanting to make contact with your Russo relatives in USA?
It might be best to have this moved to the USA board.
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Peter Russo born 18 Oct. 1928 Brooklyn, New York (son of Alesandro Russo and Luisa Sabatino)
DIED 6 Jan. 1994 New Hyde Park, Nassau, New York.
He MARRIED in 1956 to Marie Battipaglia.
His obituary in the New York Times (8 Jan 1994) mentions 3 children. (They cannot be named here as they will be living)
Grave:- https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/54948292/peter-russo
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Anna Russo born 10 July 1931
MARRIAGE 1952 Brooklyn to Nicholas Picciano
Died Feb 2022 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/247526889/anne-picciano
Her husband https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35111233/nicholas-j-picciano
(gives names of children and grandchildren)
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Mary Lucy (Maria) Russo
Birth 28 Jan 1922 Brooklyn, New York (daughter of Alesandro Russo and Luisa Sabatino)
DIED 14 Jan 2004
It looks as if she never married.
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Amelia (Emilia) Russo born 18 Jul 1919
MARRIAGE 1960 Brooklyn to Joseph Barbieri
DIED 18 Aug 2010 Flushing, Queens
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160132579/emilia-barbieri
Her obituary in New York Times (19 Aug 2010) mentions siblings Peter, Mary, Anne Picciano, Margaret Calza.; and a son named G--.
So, Margaret Russo married someone with the surname Calza. I didn’t yet find a marriage, or more information about her.
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Someone has started a family tree here. A few people have added bits of information.
You can add to it as well.
It might also be a way of making contact with those Russo relatives in America.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/LR48-DYY
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Alessandro's birth certificate for you to cross check:
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua2564484/0ZnXnV3 (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua2564484/0ZnXnV3)
Certificate No: 303; page 204
The online Birth Certificates for Saviano don't go up to 1894 for Louisa Sabatino.
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Hello Ricky
This is the MARRIAGE of Alessandro Russo to Louisa Sabatino in New York in 1916
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8971112
1940 census Russo family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ9V-F2P?lang=en
This is the family in 1950 census
Children Peter, Amelia, Anna and Mary are still single and living at home.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XTP-CFZT?lang=en
Are you wanting to make contact with your Russo relatives in USA?
It might be best to have this moved to the USA board.
What you just gave me is simply great. I'll give a try even a USA board now. Maybe I'll reach some still living relatives.
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Amelia (Emilia) Russo born 18 Jul 1919
MARRIAGE 1960 Brooklyn to Joseph Barbieri
DIED 18 Aug 2010 Flushing, Queens
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160132579/emilia-barbieri
Her obituary in New York Times (19 Aug 2010) mentions siblings Peter, Mary, Anne Picciano, Margaret Calza.; and a son named G--.
So, Margaret Russo married someone with the surname Calza. I didn’t yet find a marriage, or more information about her.
I think she should be: https://www.anastasiofuneralhome.com/obituaries/Margaret-Calza?obId=25953992 so yes, married to a Calza, but no more info actually I found for free.
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Someone has started a family tree here. A few people have added bits of information.
You can add to it as well.
It might also be a way of making contact with those Russo relatives in America.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/LR48-DYY
I'll fill this family tree, I got A LOT of Russo ancestors from XIX cent. documents.
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Alessandro's birth certificate for you to cross check:
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua2564484/0ZnXnV3 (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua2564484/0ZnXnV3)
Certificate No: 303; page 204
The online Birth Certificates for Saviano don't go up to 1894 for Louisa Sabatino.
I confirm, it's him. I got this certificate, too. Just couldn't upload because too big as an attachment.
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Are you wanting to make contact with your Russo relatives in USA?
It might be best to have this moved to the USA board.
Please note my suggestion posted previously.
You should ask the moderator to MOVE this to the USA board.
Click on "report to moderator" and ask.
Also note - I have been clear and very careful in my posts to NOT name people who are living. There are strict privacy rules here.
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You might be interested in this document as it holds a photograph of Alessandro Russo.
(I have attached a copy of the photo to the tree on FamilySearch)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMJ-G9ZP-Q?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A624W-C9K8&cc=2060123&lang=en&groupId=
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Are you wanting to make contact with your Russo relatives in USA?
It might be best to have this moved to the USA board.
Please note my suggestion posted previously.
You should ask the moderator to MOVE this to the USA board.
Click on "report to moderator" and ask.
Also note - I have been clear and very careful in my posts to NOT name people who are living. There are strict privacy rules here.
I already pasted it in that board, I didn't think I could make it that way.
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You might be interested in this document as it holds a photograph of Alessandro Russo.
(I have attached a copy of the photo to the tree on FamilySearch)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMJ-G9ZP-Q?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A624W-C9K8&cc=2060123&lang=en&groupId=
This was great, thanks a lot.
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Hi Ricky
It looks as if your great-grandfather Gerardo Russo (b. 1875) travelled to New York in 1907. Was he intending to emigrate, but then returned to Italy?
Is that a brother Francesco Paolo Russo age 24 with him?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXX6-VYH?treeref=PWPN-S5X&lang=en
They were travelling to relatives (a cousin) called Vitantonio Palmisano at Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn
When Alessandro Russo emigrated to New York in 1911, he was also going to the same address - Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn.
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Hi Ricky
It looks as if your great-grandfather Gerardo Russo (b. 1875) travelled to New York in 1907. Was he intending to emigrate, but then returned to Italy?
Is that his son Paolo Russo age 14 with him?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXX6-VYH?treeref=PWPN-S5X&lang=en
They were travelling to relatives (a cousin) called Vitantonio Palmisano at Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn
It looks as if Vito Antonio Palmisano was born in Puglia (Alberobello) about 1884.
He immigrated in 1905.
When Alessandro Russo emigrated to New York in 1911, he was also going to the same address - Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn.
Hi Neale,
about the traveller you're right, it's exactly him, Gerardo. The age, everything matches. But Francesco Paolo was his younger brother: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553324
In 1879 was born a first Francesco Paolo, but he died after 3 months (Gerardo, too, had an older brother born 1871 and died 1872). And even the occupation matches, their father Pietro was actually a tanner. About Vitantonio Palmisano, for sure he wasn't any cousin, I got 5 generations before them data, so I'm sure, he could be a friend, anyway. This family name is also enough common in that area.
About Francesco Paolo I don't have the exact death date, anyway surely he came back from the U.S.A, because he was Carabiniere in Italy, then a pleasant/gardener on a judge's estate; he remained a bachelor all his life. In the arrival document the age was 24, so would match exactly.
Gerardo definitely stayed in the US for a couple of years, because he married in 1903 Vita di Mira (Ginosa 1870-Ginosa 1954), already a widow since 1900 and with at least 3 children, after what they had: son Pietro (1903-1988, also a Carabiniere), Emilia (1905-1991), and Domenico (1913-2010), my grandfather. All of them married, had children, and to this days their descendents live, I met even a few of them, when I was still in Italy.
So, if Alessandro travelled to the US 1911, but not mentioning them is the documents, I think both of them should have already returned to Italy.
P.S. at the end of the page, you find even that wife and son of this Vitantonio were there to join him. They were from Ginosa, too, but even if we don't know the family name of this Felicia, there wasn't any Felicia in the family. So they maybe faked a relativeness, that wasn't real.
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It was quite common for the husband to emigrate first, find work and somewhere to live, and then send for his family to join him. So that is what Vitantonio had done.
It looks as if Gerado (and Francesco) had emigrated, probably intending to bring his wife and family at a later time.
Perhaps Gerado didn’t find suitable work, or perhaps his wife did not want to emigrate, and so he returned home to Italy.
Gerado would have had plenty to tell his family about America, and this may have encouraged Alessandro to go.
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This is the 1910 census for Antonio and Felicia Palmisano
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MRQH-7V7?lang=en
Below their names you will see the cousin Frank Rouso (Francesco Russo ), so he stayed in USA a little longer.
There is also James Russo who seems to be Antonio’s brother-in-law, therefore Felicia’s brother.
Felicia’s maiden name must have been Russo.
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Well, there was reason I couldn't connect this Felicia with the rest of the family: I was missing her dad, Nicola.
Practically, Pietro Russo the tanner (1835-1900+), father of Gerardo and Alessandro had not only 2 sisters (Nunzia 1838-1856 and Filomena 1848-1861), but a brother as well: Nicola b. +/- 1852 (I'll try maybe later to find the birth cerificate), died 03 Sept. 1893. Death certificate: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2538516
Nicola married Rosa Galante and in 1883 had Felicia Maria Russo, their daughter: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553769 .
As the certicate reports, Felicia get married with Vitantonio Palmisano on 19 Jan. 1901. So they were real cousins with Gerardo & Alessandro.
I'm sorry I doubted about you, you were right.
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and about the brother-in-law, James (or Giacomo) could be Felicia's brother, I'll check it after. He came in 1906, I don't know whether with Vitantonio or not. But he was coming from Prata Sannita, so not the same place and even region the whole family Russo was living.
About this Frank, 99% it's Francesco Paolo, the age is good (27), the year of arrival too (1907).
I have just a difficulty to understand the professions. Only coal dealer (Vitantonio), I don't know what the others were doing.
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I am not sure if I found the correct immigration for James Russo. I am not certain what name to search with. Am I right thinking that Giacomo is the Italian version of James?
Here is the immigration for Vit. Antonio Palmisano in 1906:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFFJ-14Z?lang=en
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I have just a difficulty to understand the professions. Only coal dealer (Vitantonio), I don't know what the others were doing.
Occupations or professions from 1910 census-
James - driver of manure
Frank - ironer in shirt factory
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I am not sure if I found the correct immigration for James Russo. i am not certain what name to search with. Am I right thinking that Giacomo is the Italian version of James?
Here is the immigration for Vit. Antonio Palmisano in 1906:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFFJ-14Z?lang=en
Yes, it is, Giacomo is in Italian. I have difficulties, too, anyway, to find him.
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Ricky, It looks like your Russo family tree is growing, now that you have found Nicola Russo ( born 1852) and his family.
I think you have more than 1 family connection to USA. :D
Regarding Felicia Russo who married Vitantonio Palmisano. I think they must have returned to Italy. I can’t see them in the USA census records after 1910.
Perhaps Francesco Paolo Russo returned to Italy about the same time.
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I have solved the problem with James Russo :)
“James” Russo was named Vincenzo Russo at birth.
Born 11 Oct 1887 in Ginosa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23P4-Y28?lang=en
His emigration was under his name Vincenzo Russo (age 18) on 27 July 1906 on ship ‘Lazio”. He was travelling to his brother-in-law, Vito Antonio in Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JF8W-9JM?lang=en
He married with the name Vincenzo Russo on 20 July 1911 in Brooklyn to Carmela Garone.
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8645616
It looks like he also changed his surname from Russo to RUSSEL. See his WW1 military card.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WGM3-NGZM?lang=en
By 1915 census, Kings New York, he is James Russel married to Carmela with 2 children.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9RL-LRN?id=P94W-7DK&lang=en
I think James separated from his wife, Carmela, in about 1919.
In 1920 census and in 1925 census she is still in NY with 5 Russo children (Nicholas Russo b. 1912 , Anthony Russo b.1914, Rose Russo b.1916, Nunzio Russo b.1918, Joseph Russo b.1919),
.... meanwhile James is in Pennsylvania USA with another wife, called Rosa Alario (but I don’t think they ever married), and children.
It looks like he had another marriage in Pennsylvania in 1942 when he was much older.
James died in Delaware in 1964
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VSKS-7JX?lang=en
WW2 draft card
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQN4-1SN?lang=en
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Some other children of Nicola Russo and Rosa Galante:-
In 1914, Guiseppe Russo 20, and Nunzio Russo 24, both from Ginosa arrived in New York on ship “America”. They give their mother’s name - Rosa Galante.
They were going to their brother Vicenzo at Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJQX-JWT?lang=en
Guiseppe Russo born 10 Feb 1893
Nunzio Russo born 25 Mar 1889
Naturalization https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7WY9-FKT2?lang=en
Passport https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKDF-88Y3?lang=en
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I have solved the problem with James Russo :)
“James” Russo was named Vincenzo Russo at birth.
Born 11 Oct 1887 in Ginosa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23P4-Y28?lang=en
His emigration was under his name Vincenzo Russo (age 18) on 27 July 1906 on ship ‘Lazio”. He was travelling to his brother-in-law, Vito Antonio in Metropolitan Ave Brooklyn.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JF8W-9JM?lang=en
He married with the name Vincenzo Russo on 20 July 1911 in Brooklyn to Carmela Garone.
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8645616
It looks like he also changed his surname from Russo to RUSSEL. See his WW1 military card.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WGM3-NGZM?lang=en
By 1915 census, Kings New York, he is James Russel married to Carmela with 2 children.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9RL-LRN?id=P94W-7DK&lang=en
I think James separated from his wife, Carmela, in about 1919.
In 1920 census and in 1925 census she is still in NY with 5 Russo children (Nicholas Russo b. 1912 , Anthony Russo b.1914, Rose Russo b.1916, Nunzio Russo b.1918, Joseph Russo b.1919),
.... meanwhile James is in Pennsylvania USA with another wife, called Rosa Alario (but I don’t think they ever married), and children.
It looks like he had another marriage in Pennsylvania in 1942 when he was much older.
James died in Delaware in 1964
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VSKS-7JX?lang=en
WW2 draft card
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQN4-1SN?lang=en
That's why I couldn't find him...
I checked all the documents about them, and the couple Nicola Russo - Rosa Galante had in total the following children:
Maria Russo - b. 04/10/1877 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2548041
Vincenzo Russo - b. 12/05/1882 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553007
Felicia Maria Russo - b. 07/11/1883 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2553769
Anna Lucia Russo - b. 23/05/1885 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2554900
Vincenzo Russo - b. 11/10/1887 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2556690
Nunzio Russo - b. 25/03/1889 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2558290
Maria Rosaria Russo - b. 19/01/1891 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2559250
Giuseppe Russo - b. 10/02/1893 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2560963
A few time afterGiuseppe was born, Nicola died aged 41, the same year, 1893: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ud2538516
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Ricky, please just use the REPLY button, not quote all the same information that I have written, read and posted. It is a rather large waste of space. :)
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The arrival of Giuseppe and Nunzio in 1914 is very interesting, because I suppose now that: their mother, then widow since 1893, could join first Felicia and Vincenzo, and in 1914 be joined herself by other 2 sons.
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I don’t think that Guiseppe and Nunzio stayed permanently in America.
I did see a military record for Nunzio who served overseas with American forces during World War 1, from 1918 to 1919.
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I have a new question for you: another my grand-grandfather was in the U.S., too, for a short time.
His name was Vittorio Monzeglio, here is his record @ Ellis Island: https://heritage.statueofliberty.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAwNTY5MTAwMjg2Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7#passengerListAnchor
Maybe are you able to find him in any census? I know he was a vine grower/winemaker, so we suppose he was directed to California, but the address given on passenger list is of his friend Eugenio is NY. I have no data of the uncle Francesco, cause those archives are not digitalized, yet. Vittorio probably came back in 1914/1915, because he fought during WWI.
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His name was Vittorio Monzeglio, here is his record @ Ellis Island: https://heritage.statueofliberty.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAwNTY5MTAwMjg2Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7#passengerListAnchor
Ricky, I cannot open this link. It requires a subscription that I don't have.
Can you give me age, dates and place for Vittorio Monzeglio, and i will see if I can find anything.
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All I know about him is:
Vittorio Monzeglio, b. 1879, in 1913 was alredy married (second) with Firmina Mortarotti (she surely never was in the US), with at least 2 children. Lived in Vignale Monferrato (Alessandria, Northern Italy). Fought in WWI, after it never moved from Vignale, in 1921 had his last child Secondo Mario (my grandfather), died in 1937. I don't know how were named his parents.
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Thanks, now I have found that passenger list on FamilySearch.
Following the name Eugenio Monzeglio from that passenger list, I have found ……..
Eugenio Mario Monzeglio born 27 Nov 1873 in Vignale Monferrato, Alessandria North Italy
Married to Ermalinda (Nelda) Farraro in 1899 in Montemagno.
He arrived in New York in Feb 1909
In 1915 census living in New Jersey working as a candy maker
Children – Beatrice born 1903 Italy, Yolanda born 1905 Italy, Albina born 1914 NY, Josephine born1917 NY.
Died in 1939 NY
Brothers:-
Alfredo Bartolomeo Monzeglio born 1864 Vignale Monferrato, Alessandria North Italy.
He arrived in New York in 1909
Sereno Monzeglio born abt 1881 Vignale Monferrato, Alessandria North Italy.
He was also in New York .
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These are the sons of Alfred Bartolomeo Monzeglio (born 1864) and Delfina.
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If your Vittorio Monzeglio was only in New York from 1913 to 1914, he will not appear in the census taken in 1915.
I did not find any record of a Francesco Monzeglio in New York. He may have been there for only a short time as well.
There was an arrival in New York in 1908, for Luigi Monzeglio born about 1880 in Casorzo. He gives his father in Italy as Francesco Monzeglio.
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In case it is useful, in New York records, I found the following names -
• Oreste Monzeglio born 26 July 1878 in Vignale. Son of Romano Monzeglio. Emigration to NY in 1904
• Arnaldo Monzeglio born 1881 – son of Romano Monzeglio and Santina Gaudio
• Eraldo Monzeglio born 1880
• Vito Monzeglio born 1890
• Cipriano Lazzaro Constantine Monzeglio born 1891 Vignale Monferrato
• Enrico Monzeglio born 1885. Son of Cesare Monzeglio and Giuseppina Grillo
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I'm not not sure if Vittorio Monzeglio came back already in 1914, for sure he fought in WWI, so in May 1915 - November 1918 for Italy but I have no idea exactly since which date.
Monzeglio around Italy is a rare family name, but in small towns around Alessandria was very popular. Vignale Monferrato, Casorzo, Montemagno are all small villages very close one to each other. So the same name doesn't mean there's a sure family connection.
I'd be curious just to discover by whom Vittorio (nephew) and Francesco (uncle) Monzeglio are connected. This could be not so easy. It is even difficult to relate some cousins here (when often they could carry the 1st name after the grandfather), because all these names are different between them. If Romano Monzeglio could be Francesco's brother, this would be a good pick, but there's not proof of it at the moment. The last name of the wife, Gaudio, also indicates that 99% she was from Vignale, too. Only Eraldo (b. 1880) is a bit more probable some of a cousin, because in the next gen. (b. 1906) there was another Eraldo, elder cousin of my grandpa (and a famous soccer player - world champion in 1934 & 1938 with Italian team).