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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: TomGad on Sunday 23 November 25 09:18 GMT (UK)
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Hi There,
British man here so please forgive me for asking any stupid questions on this one but I am trying to find my great grandfather on the 1930 US Census.
His name is James Pershing Davis and he was born in 1918 in Oklahoma, In 1920 he is with his parents in a place called Shannon, Creek, Oklahoma listed simply as Jim Davis. By 1940 he is still living with his father and is now in Moline, Rock Island, Illinois this time as James Davis.
I cannot find the 1930 census for him however. He could either be in Oklahoma or Illinois in 1930 as I do not know when they moved. Can anybody help?
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Parents' names?
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Possibly as Jimmie in 1930, with widowed father Jim and siblings Fannie and John? Jim senior born Texas, rest born Oklahoma. Census place being Sand Town, Mustang township, Oklahoma.
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Parents' names?
Robert Lee Davis and Bertha Ann Lee
Robert might have an E in his name as on his headstone he is named Robert E Lee Davis. So bear that in mind
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So, this entry at Shannon, Creek in 1920:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RXJ-SKY?
and this group:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/L664-QFF (provided whoever researched them provided correct details etc.)?
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This entry at Shannon, Creek in 1920:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RXJ-SKY?
That link doesnt work for me, it just sends me to an error screen after I log in.
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This entry at Shannon, Creek in 1920:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RXJ-SKY?
That link doesnt work for me, it just sends me to an error screen after I log in.
It is working fine for me :-\
Added - Census was dated 26 March 1920 and James age was 3 years 6 months
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This entry at Shannon, Creek in 1920:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RXJ-SKY?
That link doesnt work for me, it just sends me to an error screen after I log in.
It is working fine for me :-\
Added - Census was dated 26 March 1920 and James age was 3 years 6 months
No matter how many times I try on two seperate devices it still doesnt work for me!
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It is a copy of the 1920 census that you appear to have already seen ;)
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It is a copy of the 1920 census that you appear to have already seen ;)
Ah ok, I’m looking for the census after that in 1930.
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I appreciate that but it gives us something to work on as there is more information about his siblings which could help us in our search.
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Indeed, rosie99. The more info already known to you, TomGad, that you can share, the more helpful it can be and can save us wasting time going down wrong tracks.
Can I check how certain you are and what source record/s you have, for your James' birth year of 1918 and middle name of Pershing?
https://ok2explore.health.ok.gov/App/BirthResults only returns 9 James Davis births that year, with the only Creek County one having been born 9th October and having middle initial W.
Your James, in the 1920 at least, was said to be 3 yrs and 6 months old, so if correct, would have been born around July 1916.
The same site above, returns 4 births in 1917, albeit with none in Creek County nor with middle name starting P. And in 1917, 10 returns, but none in Creek County, nor with middle name starting P.
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His WWII draft registration card has his middle name - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPCZ-K4K7?lang=en
I wouldn't be surprised if someone in a rural area in a mostly rural state in that time frame didn't get a birth certificate or only got a delayed birth certificate much later on when they needed it for Social Security benefits. Also, Oklahoma didn't require statewide vital registration until 1917, so people might have not bothered in the early years.
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Based on James' Social Security number, he was likely living in Illinois by Feb. 1937. https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=3060&mtch=1&cat=TS15&tf=F&q=327012484&bc=,sl,sd&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=4359253
The family tree mentioned above said James' mother Bertha died in April 1920. Not positive it's her, but the OK death index has a Bertha Alice Davis who died in Creek Co. on 17 May 1920. https://ok2explore.health.ok.gov/App/DeathSearch
According to the obituary for James' father Robert, Robert married wife Wilma on 15 May 1930 in Davenport (I'm presuming that meant Davenport, Iowa, which is close to Moline, Illinois). https://www.newspapers.com/article/quad-city-times-obituary-for-robert-davi/185509672/ That fits with wife Wilma who is on the 1940 census with Robert, James, and three of her other children.
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Indeed, rosie99. The more info already known to you, TomGad, that you can share, the more helpful it can be and can save us wasting time going down wrong tracks.
Can I check how certain you are and what source record/s you have, for your James' birth year of 1918 and middle name of Pershing?
https://ok2explore.health.ok.gov/App/BirthResults only returns 9 James Davis births that year, with the only Creek County one having been born 9th October and having middle initial W.
Your James, in the 1920 at least, was said to be 3 yrs and 6 months old, so if correct, would have been born around July 1916.
The same site above, returns 4 births in 1917, albeit with none in Creek County nor with middle name starting P. And in 1917, 10 returns, but none in Creek County, nor with middle name starting P.
Jim’s military records are where his birthday is from along with his death records etc. There is alot more detail in these american records then what you would find in records here in England.
Long story short I am 100% sure it is all correct. His name is definitely was James Pershing Davis and he served in WW2 in the Forces.
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So with that registration card, we also learn that the father, Robert, must have re-married a Wilma at some point after his wife Bertha died. Does this match what you know, TomGad? With James and/or his folks not using this middle name in the census for 1920 or for 1940, and with the 1920 census suggesting a 1916 birth, it is understandable why it is trickier to tie him down in 1930. Could he have been with grandparents on either side?
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Based on James' Social Security number, he was likely living in Illinois by Feb. 1937. https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=3060&mtch=1&cat=TS15&tf=F&q=327012484&bc=,sl,sd&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=4359253
The family tree mentioned above said James' mother Bertha died in April 1920. Not positive it's her, but the OK death index has a Bertha Alice Davis who died in Creek Co. on 17 May 1920. https://ok2explore.health.ok.gov/App/DeathSearch
According to the obituary for James' father Robert, Robert married wife Wilma on 15 May 1930 in Davenport (I'm presuming that meant Iowa, which is close to Moline, Illinois). https://www.newspapers.com/article/quad-city-times-obituary-for-robert-davi/185509672/
The Bertha Alice record could well be correct. I have just realised I have no records that confirm her middle name to be Ann only Bertha A Lee or Bertha A Davis.
Is there a way to order the death certificate?
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So with that registration card, we also learn that the father, Robert, must have re-married a Wilma at some point after his wife Bertha died. Does this match what you know, TomGad? With James and/or his folks not using this middle name in the census for 1920 and for 1940, and with the 1920 census suggesting a 1916 birth, it is understandable why it is trickier to tie him down in 1930. Could he have been with grandparents on either side?
This matches up, Wilma’s full name is actually Erika Josefina Vilhelmina Wicklund. Her english name Wilma coming from “Vilhelmina”
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So with that registration card, we also learn that the father, Robert, must have re-married a Wilma at some point after his wife Bertha died. Does this match what you know, TomGad? With James and/or his folks not using this middle name in the census for 1920 or for 1940, and with the 1920 census suggesting a 1916 birth, it is understandable why it is trickier to tie him down in 1930. Could he have been with grandparents on either side?
He isnt with his grandparents im afraid. The only grandparent he could have lived with at that time is Bertha’s mother Anna Lee. Anna can be found in the 1930 census and she is living by herself and her grandaughter (Jim’s sister) Lula May Davis (listed as Lee on the census though)
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Based on James' Social Security number, he was likely living in Illinois by Feb. 1937. https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=3060&mtch=1&cat=TS15&tf=F&q=327012484&bc=,sl,sd&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=4359253
The family tree mentioned above said James' mother Bertha died in April 1920. Not positive it's her, but the OK death index has a Bertha Alice Davis who died in Creek Co. on 17 May 1920. https://ok2explore.health.ok.gov/App/DeathSearch
According to the obituary for James' father Robert, Robert married wife Wilma on 15 May 1930 in Davenport (I'm presuming that meant Iowa, which is close to Moline, Illinois). https://www.newspapers.com/article/quad-city-times-obituary-for-robert-davi/185509672/
The Bertha Alice record could well be correct. I have just realised I have no records that confirm her middle name to be Ann only Bertha A Lee or Bertha A Davis.
Is there a way to order the death certificate?
If you run the search for Bertha's name on that website, when the results come up, it will give the options for ordering a death certificate online or by mail.
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Indeed, rosie99. The more info already known to you, TomGad, that you can share, the more helpful it can be and can save us wasting time going down wrong tracks.
Can I check how certain you are and what source record/s you have, for your James' birth year of 1918 and middle name of Pershing?
https://ok2explore.health.ok.gov/App/BirthResults only returns 9 James Davis births that year, with the only Creek County one having been born 9th October and having middle initial W.
Your James, in the 1920 at least, was said to be 3 yrs and 6 months old, so if correct, would have been born around July 1916.
The same site above, returns 4 births in 1917, albeit with none in Creek County nor with middle name starting P. And in 1917, 10 returns, but none in Creek County, nor with middle name starting P.
One thing that might help you here, Jim’s brother is still alive and has an Ancestry tree. He has his brother as James Pershing Davis with all the info and as he is his own brother and he has put this info I would say that confirms that was 100% his name. His brother would know his full name thats for sure and as he has it the same as I do then I am certain Jim’s name was James Pershing Davis.
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Do you have any of his siblings in the 1930 at all and/or have you tried using forenames of family group only, in case Davis surname has been badly mistranscribed by Ancestry?
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Do you have any of his siblings in the 1930 at all and/or have you tried using forenames of family group only, in case Davis surname has been badly mistranscribed by Ancestry?
I havent actually checked. I’ll have a look in a moment
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Do you have any of his siblings in the 1930 at all and/or have you tried using forenames of family group only, in case Davis surname has been badly mistranscribed by Ancestry?
I have found a newspaper article in Shamrock from 1920 that states Bertha died on March 16th 1920
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Maybe the death index mistranscribed the 3 for March as a 5?
It looks like Wilma got divorced from her previous husband in 1931, so the date of Robert & Wilma's marriage in the obituary may be off. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dispatch/185511326/
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Maybe the death index mistranscribed the 3 for March as a 5?
It looks like Wilma got divorced from her previous husband in 1931, so the date of Robert & Wilma's marriage in the obituary may be off. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dispatch/185511326/
The transcription error could be right i suppose its only one digit. Wilma and Robert got married on May 16th 1931 in Davenport, Iowa where Robert is listed as just “Lee Davis”
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Maybe the death index mistranscribed the 3 for March as a 5?
It looks like Wilma got divorced from her previous husband in 1931, so the date of Robert & Wilma's marriage in the obituary may be off. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dispatch/185511326/
It says they both are in Moline, Illinois in 1931. So Robert might be there in 1930?
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Do all the adult children named in Robert's obituary match with all the children you have already found in your research?
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Do all the adult children named in Robert's obituary match with all the children you have already found in your research?
Yes they do
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Maybe the death index mistranscribed the 3 for March as a 5?
It looks like Wilma got divorced from her previous husband in 1931, so the date of Robert & Wilma's marriage in the obituary may be off. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dispatch/185511326/
It says they both are in Moline, Illinois in 1931. So Robert might be there in 1930?
She was "of Rock Island" to be exact, a neighboring city in Illinois to Moline, IL and Davenport, Iowa.
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1940 Census taken in April 1940
in Moline
Robert L 64 b Missouri, 1935: lived in same place, namely Moline, but not in the same house
Wilma 50, b Sweden
James son, 22, b Oklahoma
Scott, Marilyn, 14 stepd b Illinois
Virgil 12, steps b Illinois
Lee 9, step son, b Illinois
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWZQ-2RM?lang=en
I wonder if Lee Scott is actually Robert Lee Davis' son. If so that would explain Wilma's divorce and also put Robert in the Rock Island, Moline, Davenport area by 1929/30.
I'd be curious to know if it was easier to marry in Iowa than in Illinois in 1931.
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1940 Census taken in April 1940
in Moline
Robert L 64 b Missouri, 1935: lived in same place, namely Moline, but not in the same house
Wilma 50, b Sweden
James son, 22, b Oklahoma
Scott, Marilyn, 14 stepd b Illinois
Virgil 12, steps b Illinois
Lee 9, step son, b Illinois
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWZQ-2RM?lang=en
I wonder if Lee Scott is actually Robert Lee Davis' son. If so that would explain Wilma's divorce and also put Robert in the Rock Island, Moline, Davenport area by 1929/30.
I'd be curious to know if it was easier to marry in Iowa than in Illinois in 1931.
Lee Scott is indeed Lee Davis, Robert’s youngest son. No idea why he was listed as Scott on the census haha.
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Lee Scott is indeed Lee Davis, Robert’s youngest son. No idea why he was listed as Scott on the census haha.
Legally Scott, maybe.
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the 1940 Address was 222 42nd St, Ward 7, Moline
here is a Robert Davis, w daughter Mary at 3159 23rd Ave, Ward 7 in 1930
1930 Moline, 3159 23rd Avenue, Ward 7
Robert Davis, 55, age at 1st marriage: 25
Mary Davis, 17
Only those details match what we know. All birth places, theirs and their parents, say Illinois, not the correct ones.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS11-GKS?lang=en
this census has been user corrected at ancestry to match the Robert L Davis we are looking for. - for what it's worth. It might just be someone trying to make things fit.
but the 2 locations are only a few blocks from each other. disregard the directions on Google maps when starting at 3159 23rd st. They take you to 222 42nd St, East Moline.
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the 1940 Address was 222 42nd St, Ward 7, Moline
here is a Robert Davis, w daughter Mary at 3159 23rd Ave, Ward 7 in 1930
1930 Moline, 3159 23rd Avenue, Ward 7
Robert Davis, 55, age at 1st marriage: 25
Mary Davis, 17
Only those details match what we know. All birth places, theirs and their parents, say Illinois, not the correct ones.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS11-GKS?lang=en
this census has been user corrected at ancestry to match the Robert L Davis we are looking for. - for what it's worth. It might just be someone trying to make things fit.
but the 2 locations are only a few blocks from each other. disregard the directions on Google maps when starting at 3159 23rd st. They take you to 222 42nd St, East Moline.
The daughter was also corrected to being Bertha rather than Mary.
It looks like Bertha married Herbert Wilkinson in Jan. 1934 and died in April 1934. Her siblings listed in her obituary included James Davis of Moline.
Marriage announcement - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-rock-island-argus-marriage-of-davis/185521232/
obituary - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-times/185521194/
Note of thanks following her death - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dispatch/185521323/
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the 1940 Address was 222 42nd St, Ward 7, Moline
here is a Robert Davis, w daughter Mary at 3159 23rd Ave, Ward 7 in 1930
1930 Moline, 3159 23rd Avenue, Ward 7
Robert Davis, 55, age at 1st marriage: 25
Mary Davis, 17
Only those details match what we know. All birth places, theirs and their parents, say Illinois, not the correct ones.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS11-GKS?lang=en
this census has been user corrected at ancestry to match the Robert L Davis we are looking for. - for what it's worth. It might just be someone trying to make things fit.
but the 2 locations are only a few blocks from each other. disregard the directions on Google maps when starting at 3159 23rd st. They take you to 222 42nd St, East Moline.
The daughter was also corrected to being Bertha rather than Mary.
It looks like Bertha married Herbert Wilkinson in Jan. 1934 and died in April 1934. Her siblings listed in her obituary included James Davis of Moline.
Marriage announcement - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-rock-island-argus-marriage-of-davis/185521232/
obituary - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-times/185521194/
Note of thanks following her death - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dispatch/185521323/
Now we have found Robert, the big question is can you find Jim?
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He isnt with his grandparents im afraid. The only grandparent he could have lived with at that time is Bertha’s mother Anna Lee. Anna can be found in the 1930 census and she is living by herself and her grandaughter (Jim’s sister) Lula May Davis (listed as Lee on the census though)
Where was Bertha's mother living in 1930? Is her full name Anna Lee or are they two given names? If not in Moline, then it is another locality to look in for James Pershing Davis. If you have a link on familysearch or ancestry, that would help.
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He isnt with his grandparents im afraid. The only grandparent he could have lived with at that time is Bertha’s mother Anna Lee. Anna can be found in the 1930 census and she is living by herself and her grandaughter (Jim’s sister) Lula May Davis (listed as Lee on the census though)
Where was Bertha's mother living in 1930? Is her full name Anna Lee or are they two given names? If not in Moline, then it is another locality to look in for James Pershing Davis. If you have a link on familysearch or ancestry, that would help.
Here is a the link to the record on Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/6224/records/94993710?tid=192997417&pid=312533858083&_phsrc=YhV13&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
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Could this one be a possibility?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XC7X-L9R?lang=en
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Could this one be a possibility?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XC7X-L9R?lang=en
Dont think thats him. Never heard of any of those people
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Potentially another red herring, but nonetheless an interesting 1930 census one here, especially the added note on original:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R8C-PDY?
Could it be James/Jim?
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Where was Bertha's mother living in 1930? Is her full name Anna Lee or are they two given names? If not in Moline, then it is another locality to look in for James Pershing Davis. If you have a link on familysearch or ancestry, that would help.
Here is a the link to the record on Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/6224/records/94993710?tid=192997417&pid=312533858083&_phsrc=YhV13&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
Thank you. So they are in Tecumseh, Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma. The brother Robert married in that county in 1931.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q29M-HW2G?lang=en
from Bertha's obituary, 1934
surviving are the widower, her parents Mr and Mrs Robert L Davis of Moline, two sisters, Mrs Emelie Holtgrave, Whittier, Calif.; Miss Lula Mae Davis, Moline, six brothers, Albert, Robert and Willard Davis, Long View, Texas; Francis of Yukon, Okla., etc.
So what I think happened is that Robert E Davis left most of the children behind in Oklahoma when he went back to Illinois. He left Lula May with her grandmother to keep house for her. He took Bertha with him to keep house for him. The sons might have been left with neighbors or who knows where. James is back with his father by 1934. One of the brothers married in Iowa in the early 1940's. And I found a few of the brothers in Oklahoma or Texas on later records. (The familysearch tree has the records.) But I didn't find any of them in 1930.
So my guess is James Pershing Davis is somewhere in Oklahoma or Texas in 1930.
If it's any consolation, no one else seems to be finding any of them in 1930 either. The tree at familysearch doesn't have any of them and ancestry's hints didn't point to anyone that matched in 1930.
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Where was Bertha's mother living in 1930? Is her full name Anna Lee or are they two given names? If not in Moline, then it is another locality to look in for James Pershing Davis. If you have a link on familysearch or ancestry, that would help.
Here is a the link to the record on Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/6224/records/94993710?tid=192997417&pid=312533858083&_phsrc=YhV13&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
from Bertha's obituary, 1934
surviving are the widower, her parents Mr and Mrs Robert L Davis of Moline, two sisters, Mrs Emelie Holtgrave, Whittier, Calif.; Miss Lula Mae Davis, Moline, six brothers, Albert, Robert and Willard Davis, Long View, Texas; Francis of Yukon, Okla., etc.
So what I think happened is that Robert E Davis left most of the children behind in Oklahoma when he went back to Illinois. He left Lula May with her grandmother to keep house for her. He took Bertha with him to keep house for him. The sons might have been left with neighbors or who knows where. James is back with his father by 1934. One of the brothers married in Iowa in the early 1940's. And I found a few of the brothers in Oklahoma or Texas on later records. (The familysearch tree has the records.) But I didn't find any of them in 1930.
So my guess is James Pershing Davis is somewhere in Oklahoma or Texas in 1930.
If it's any consolation, no one else seems to be finding any of them in 1930 either. The tree at familysearch doesn't have any of them and ancestry's hints didn't point to anyone that matched in 1930.
Elbert not Albert but everything else adds up.
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Where was Bertha's mother living in 1930? Is her full name Anna Lee or are they two given names? If not in Moline, then it is another locality to look in for James Pershing Davis. If you have a link on familysearch or ancestry, that would help.
Here is a the link to the record on Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/6224/records/94993710?tid=192997417&pid=312533858083&_phsrc=YhV13&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
Thank you. So they are in Tecumseh, Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma. The brother Robert married in that county in 1931.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q29M-HW2G?lang=en
from Bertha's obituary, 1934
surviving are the widower, her parents Mr and Mrs Robert L Davis of Moline, two sisters, Mrs Emelie Holtgrave, Whittier, Calif.; Miss Lula Mae Davis, Moline, six brothers, Albert, Robert and Willard Davis, Long View, Texas; Francis of Yukon, Okla., etc.
So what I think happened is that Robert E Davis left most of the children behind in Oklahoma when he went back to Illinois. He left Lula May with her grandmother to keep house for her. He took Bertha with him to keep house for him. The sons might have been left with neighbors or who knows where. James is back with his father by 1934. One of the brothers married in Iowa in the early 1940's. And I found a few of the brothers in Oklahoma or Texas on later records. (The familysearch tree has the records.) But I didn't find any of them in 1930.
So my guess is James Pershing Davis is somewhere in Oklahoma or Texas in 1930.
If it's any consolation, no one else seems to be finding any of them in 1930 either. The tree at familysearch doesn't have any of them and ancestry's hints didn't point to anyone that matched in 1930.
Just re-reading this, who is Robert E Davis??
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Where was Bertha's mother living in 1930? Is her full name Anna Lee or are they two given names? If not in Moline, then it is another locality to look in for James Pershing Davis. If you have a link on familysearch or ancestry, that would help.
Here is a the link to the record on Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/6224/records/94993710?tid=192997417&pid=312533858083&_phsrc=YhV13&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
Thank you. So they are in Tecumseh, Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma. The brother Robert married in that county in 1931.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q29M-HW2G?lang=en
from Bertha's obituary, 1934
surviving are the widower, her parents Mr and Mrs Robert L Davis of Moline, two sisters, Mrs Emelie Holtgrave, Whittier, Calif.; Miss Lula Mae Davis, Moline, six brothers, Albert, Robert and Willard Davis, Long View, Texas; Francis of Yukon, Okla., etc.
So what I think happened is that Robert E Davis left most of the children behind in Oklahoma when he went back to Illinois. He left Lula May with her grandmother to keep house for her. He took Bertha with him to keep house for him. The sons might have been left with neighbors or who knows where. James is back with his father by 1934. One of the brothers married in Iowa in the early 1940's. And I found a few of the brothers in Oklahoma or Texas on later records. (The familysearch tree has the records.) But I didn't find any of them in 1930.
So my guess is James Pershing Davis is somewhere in Oklahoma or Texas in 1930.
If it's any consolation, no one else seems to be finding any of them in 1930 either. The tree at familysearch doesn't have any of them and ancestry's hints didn't point to anyone that matched in 1930.
Something interesting to note is that I cannot find Jim’s brother Willard Davis as you have named him in the 1930 census either. His full name is Jess Willard Davis but obviously went by just Willard aswell.
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When I said Robert E Davis, I meant the father, Robert Edward Lee Davis, the man who married Bertha and then Wilma.
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When I said Robert E Davis, I meant the father, Robert Edward Lee Davis, the man who married Bertha and then Wilma.
How do you know its Edward? Any sources for that?
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Oops, scratch "Edward". the only place I saw it was on the tree at familysearch in reply #4.
I don't know if you have said his middle initial on this thread, but if you know that the middle initial is "E" then there is a good chance that it is Edward because that was General Robert E Lee's middle name, acc to wikipedia.
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Oops, scratch "Edward". the only place I saw it was on the tree at familysearch in reply #4.
I don't know if you have said his middle initial on this thread, but if you know that the middle initial is "E" then there is a good chance that it is Edward because that was General Robert E Lee's middle name, acc to wikipedia.
Interesting, I have always wondered why Jim had Pershing in his name. Is that another famouse military personel?
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Yes, General Pershing would have been well-known in the WWI era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing
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Yes, General Pershing would have been well-known in the WWI era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing
Jim was born 1918, just after WW1 so maybe your theory is correct?
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Yes, General Pershing would have been well-known in the WWI era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing
Going off this logic, this could be where Willard comes from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_L._Willard
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Yes, General Pershing would have been well-known in the WWI era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing
Going back even FURTHER, Could this be Robert E Lee’s Father’s name sake?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Marion
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Yes, General Pershing would have been well-known in the WWI era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing
I’m going to make a new post here about Robert’s parents as I am not too sure what is what with them.
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Oops, scratch "Edward". the only place I saw it was on the tree at familysearch in reply #4.
I don't know if you have said his middle initial on this thread, but if you know that the middle initial is "E" then there is a good chance that it is Edward because that was General Robert E Lee's middle name, acc to wikipedia.
Could this be Robert in the 1891 Census before moving from Missouri to Oklahoma? The only thing that doesnt add up is the birth is set as Illinois but maybe that was a mistake?
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Answering a few questions:
George Willard - probably not, as he fought with the Union army.
General Francis Marion - yes a very good chance, since he fought in the Carolinas, and in 1880 that is where Francis M Davis said his parents were born.
Please post a link to your rootschat question about Robert's parents in case I miss it. I'd like to follow along.
thread about parents is here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=895246.0 for those following along.
I'll get into it later, maybe not today. Real world events need attention today.
Please post the link to the 1895 census for Robert E Davis. I forgot about possible state censuses.
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Answering a few questions:
George Willard - probably not, as he fought with the Union army.
General Francis Marion - yes a very good chance, since he fought in the Carolinas, and in 1880 that is where Francis M Davis said his parents were born.
Please post a link to your rootschat question about Robert's parents in case I miss it. I'd like to follow along.
thread about parents is here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=895246.0 for those following along.
I'll get into it later, maybe not today. Real world events need attention today.
Please post the link to the 1895 census for Robert E Davis. I forgot about possible state censuses.
Here is the link! https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1088/records/5792059?tid=192997417&pid=312533785705&queryId=f2be72ad-bfe0-497e-a585-50516949b597&_phsrc=ocp4&_phstart=successSource
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Potentially another red herring, but nonetheless an interesting 1930 census one here, especially the added note on original:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R8C-PDY?
Could it be James/Jim?
Did anyone get the chance to look at this one? Even if only another one to rule out.
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Potentially another red herring, but nonetheless an interesting 1930 census one here, especially the added note on original:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R8C-PDY?
Could it be James/Jim?
Anything's possible, but I don't think this is him. The note written across the children's birthplaces says they are wards of the state of Ohio and were brought in from different parts of the state. Parentage unknown at the home.
We haven't put the family in Ohio yet, and I'm pretty sure that Ohio was not a likely place to stop in if you and your descendants were headed west from North Carolina.
Did anyone get the chance to look at this one? Even if only another one to rule out.
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I don't think the Robert E L Davis with Ruben and Anna Davis in Haskell County, Kansas, in 1895 is your Robert. For now, file it away in case you connect Ruben and Anna with your family in the future.
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I don't think the Robert E L Davis with Ruben and Anna Davis in Haskell County, Kansas, in 1895 is your Robert. For now, file it away in case you connect Ruben and Anna with your family in the future.
Ah didnt even notice those there because of how Ancestry had filed the entry. That’s a shame
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I don't think the Robert E L Davis with Ruben and Anna Davis in Haskell County, Kansas, in 1895 is your Robert. For now, file it away in case you connect Ruben and Anna with your family in the future.
What do you think about the photos on this page, they are certainly brothers right? https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=895246.msg7697424#msg7697424
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What do you think about the photos on this page, they are certainly brothers right? https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=895246.msg7697424#msg7697424
yes. meant to say so, but forgot. some day you should ask https://www.rootschat.com/forum/free-photo-restoration/ to try and date the tintype.