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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Eyesee on Thursday 20 November 25 00:25 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find anything about John MAGUIRE. Don't have very much to go on I'm afraid.
His son Hugh died in Belfast in March 1896 and in his obituary it states The deceased, who was fifty three years of age, was the only living representative of a well-known family who held land on the Brooke estate, County Fermanagh, for over two hundred years.
When Hugh married in 1870 his marriage registration just had his father John's rank or profession as Gentleman.
Hugh apparently had a sister, name unknown, who either married a SMITH or was adopted by a family named SMITH and went to the USA.
There may have been a marriage that did not sit well with the families, hence not much to go on.
Thanks
Ian C
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When you put the name Brooke into Griffins Valuation and choose Fermanagh you get 973 results, not for the name Brooke but for tenants of Brooke.
I only looked at the first 100 and they were all in the Civil Parish of Aghavea, all tenants of Sir Victor A Brooke Bt.
The details wont open on my iPad but the date will be the early 1850s.
It would at least give you an area to search, but you should check all the pages in case there are other Civil parishes, you can then check for Maguires in each parish. A Gentleman is likely to have property of high value which should reduce the numbers a lot.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
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Is this the correct Hugh?
The Will of Hugh Maguire late of Wandsworth Villas Strandtown County Down Merchant who died 22 March 1896 was proved at Belfast by Sarah J. Maguire Widow and George A. Maguire Gentleman both of Strandtown Executors. Effects £10,014 18s. 9d.
Will dated 13 Sept.1893 mentions 'wife,' son George ...
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=214010
This might be the place to search for Hugh's father John but be aware that Maguire (and its various spellings) is one of the most common names in County Fermanagh.
https://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp
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Thanks Sinann, have started looking through the Griffiths and found a couple of possibilities. Looked at the one in Knockmacmanus as it was 66 acres. Managed to find the area on Google Maps and there appear to be some ruins where the old Griffiths Map shows buildings.
Yes aghadowey that is the son Hugh. Had found his will. Had also looked through the other wills and as you say Maguire is a very common name in Fermanagh. Without knowing any other names it makes it a bit difficult. Two of Hugh Maguire's grandsons were Hugh and Denis, which also appear to be common Maguire christian names.
Ian C
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For reference here's the marriage of Hugh Maguire-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11398/8185370.pdf
Hugh's occupation is shopman which indicates that father's occupation of 'gentleman' may be a bit exaggerated.
I think you need to realise that you need to look at both acreage and value of a holding. There are lots of rural areas with poor ground only suitable for grazing and those parcels often cover a lot of ground.
With the occupation "gentleman" you might be looking at a landsteward rather than farmer.
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As Hugh apparently had 6 sons and 2 daughters, do any of their names provide more potential clues at all?
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Most of the children's names appear to be from the mother's side Sarah Anne MITCHELL. Her siblings were Sydney George, Louisa Harriette, Elizabeth Mary and Alfred Mansfield. Their parents were Robert MITCHELL and Elizabeth MANSFIELD.
George Jordan - George from the Mitchell side
Alfred Hugh - Alfred from Mitchell side and Hugh from his father
William Robert - Both from the Mitchell side
Sidney James - Sidney from the Mitchell side
Harry Mansfield - Mansfield is maternal grandmother's maiden surname
Frederick John - John probably from his paternal grandfather
Elizabeth Louise - Elizabeth maternal grandmother
Annabel Frances
Ian C
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Have you checked for baptisms of all the children in case any of the sponsors have a Maguire connection?
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Hi
This might help
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookeborough
The Maguire estate was settled on the Brooke family after a rebellion in 1641.Presumably the Maguire family stayed in the area after Sir Henry Brooke took over.
Ciderdrinker
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06034/4718547.pdf
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06034/4718547.pdf
..and died at Aghacramphill townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/magherastephana/aghalurcher/corralongford/aghacramphill/
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Checking the 1901 census there is a Hugh Maguire in Aghacramhill townland-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Corrylongford/Aghacramhill/1355997/
Ten years later he's aged 20 years-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Corralongford/Aghacramphill/522000/
Clearly not the Hugh Maguire of Belfast.
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:( Thanks aghadowey.
Can someone check this newspaper notice? I can't find her death record.
On inst, o>kticld, neĞr Enniskillen, Elia*, beth, the youngest daughter of Mr John Maguire.
Published: Thursday 24 February 1870
Newspaper: Enniskillen Chronicle and Erne Packet
County: Fermanagh, Northern Ireland
Type: Article | Words: 389 | Page: 2, 3
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If he is not this John Maguire
https://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_details_show.php?ID=1614768&mysession=3001891237866
Maybe he is this one?
https://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_details_show.php?ID=1613159&mysession=3001892725414
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:( Thanks aghadowey.
Can someone check this newspaper notice? I can't find her death record.
On inst, o>kticld, neĞr Enniskillen, Elia*, beth, the youngest daughter of Mr John Maguire.
Published: Thursday 24 February 1870
Newspaper: Enniskillen Chronicle and Erne Packet
County: Fermanagh, Northern Ireland
Type: Article | Words: 389 | Page: 2, 3
There seems to be something wrong with the searches on Irish Genealogy at the moment. I searched for Elizabeth Maguire died 1870- nothing. Maguire 1870- nothing. Elizabeth 1870- nothing. 1870- nothing!
Added- this might be the death-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRRG-1PK?lang=en
The online death certificates start at 1871 at present.
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:( Thanks aghadowey.
Can someone check this newspaper notice? I can't find her death record.
On inst, o>kticld, neĞr Enniskillen, Elia*, beth, the youngest daughter of Mr John Maguire.
Published: Thursday 24 February 1870
Newspaper: Enniskillen Chronicle and Erne Packet
County: Fermanagh, Northern Ireland
Type: Article | Words: 389 | Page: 2, 3
On 20th inst., at Oakfield, near Enniskillen.
There was no other surname given for Elizabeth.
A Maguire family with an Oakfield address in 1901, in case linked in some way:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Lisbofin/Oakfield/1365447/
The child, John Francis, may have been the John Francis Maguire, of Oakfield, who died in 1943 as per Proni Will Calendars. The Proni index also indicates that one of the other children, Charles F Maguire, became a Reverand.
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Thanks guys :)
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The Oakfield family-
Listed as Methodist in 1901 and Charles' marriage was Church of Ireland (probably the bride's church)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11392/8182718.pdf
Maguire John Francis of Oakfield county Fermanagh farmer died 10 April 1943 Administration Londonderry 22 October to reverend Charles F. Maguire methodist minister. Effects £907 12s. 6d.
Maguire Francis Gerald stationed at Royal Navy Air Station Lossiemouth Scotland and late of "Oakfield" Willoughby Place Enniskillen county Fermanagh surgeon lieutenant Royal navy died 4 September 1957 near Brova county Sutherland Scotland Administration Londonderry 29 May to Gertrude Mildred Maguire married woman. Effects £1092 5s. 11d.
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Maguire, Charles Frederick of Willoughby Place Enniskillen county Fermanagh retired methodist minister died 14 November 1960 Probate Londonderry 23 November to Gertrude Mildred Maguire widow of testator and Charles Maguire medical doctor. Effects £3210.
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Hugh MAGUIRE, baptised 22/12/1844, father John, mother Catherine, residence Kilronin (Kilronan), Father's occupation Farmer
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/lisnaskea-bap.html
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Hugh MAGUIRE, baptised 22/12/1844, father John, mother Catherine, residence Kilronin (Kilronan), Father's occupation Farmer
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/lisnaskea-bap.html
That one looks promising. Possibly other children?
MAGUIRE John bapt. 13/5/1827, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE Robert bapt. 11/3/1829, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE Edward bapt. 29/8/1830, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE Robert bapt. 11/11/1832, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE William bapt. 15/11/1835, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE Margaret bapt. 18/1/1839, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
MAGUIRE James bapt. 18/7/1841, parents- John & Catherine, Kilronin
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Possibly William (born c1835) with a sister-in-law and two nephews-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Carrickmacusker/Kilronar/1358093/
Same household in 1911-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Carrickmacosker/Kilronan/524000/
John William Maguire- parents James Maguire & Margaret Connolly-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPT8-RXG?lang=en
James Edward Maguire-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBHN-D22?lang=en
Maguire Margaret otherwise Margart of Kilronan Lisnaskea county Fermanagh widow died 6 May 1929 Administration W/A Londonderry 19 December [1941] to James Edward Maguire farmer. Effects £40.
Maguire James Edward of Kilronan Lisnaskea county Fermanagh farmer died 2 December 1954 Probate Londonderry 26 January to Thomas Johnston farmer. Effects £238 5s. 6d.
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Thanks everyone.
Found the death of a Catherine MAGUIRE of Kilronan in 1894 a widow aged 90. Son James was the informant.
According to Hugh MAGUIRE's obit in 1896 he was only living representative.
James MAGUIRE of Kilronan died in 1898, son John Wm the informant.
Have we got the right family??
Ian C
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I'm more doubtful but wouldn't rule it out yet. This family doesn't fit with Hugh's father being a 'gentleman' but then Hugh was a shopman when he married so difficult to know.
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Eyesee, have you looked any further at Hugh's business partner Edwards, in case there was also a family connection as well as a business one? Alfred John Edwards was also one of the witnesses at Hugh's marriage.
I think it likely the 1872 marriage of an Alfred to a Mary Wilson is the same chap, albeit wihout the middle name 'John' that was used at other times, as Proni Wills Index has his widow as a Mary. This Alfred named his father as William Edwards, a Gentleman.
Alfred was apparently born in England, though, so perhaps less likely to have had a family connection to Hugh:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Belmont_Road/1221714/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Belmont_Road/229987/
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Thanks everyone.
Just received further information from a family member which may mean a change of direction.
It appears John MAGUIRE was Catholic and he married a Protestant, which resulted in him being kicked out of the family and moving to Belfast. This information also said that John's parents both died in the potato famine.
He only had the two children Hugh 1843-1896 and a sister that I mentioned in the original post who went to the US.
Have found a death in Belfast in 1887 for a John MAGUIRE in Strandtown, which is where Hugh was living. Wife Elizabeth was the informant. He was 60 which might be a bit young to have a child born in 1844, but in this game you never know.
Ian C
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Have any of Hugh's descendants considered going down the DNA route in an attempt to narrow their search for the likely 'correct' John?
The John of the 1887 death looks to have been a Gardener.
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06216/4778894.pdf occupation- "Gardner" [gardener] still a far cry from 'gentleman.' Age might be incorrect.
Checked Belfast cemetery site (City, Dundonald & Roselawn) for john but only found Hugh & wife in a plot-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6373.25916
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Going back to Hugh's obituary- "The deceased, who was fifty three years of age, was the only living representative of a well-known family who held land on the Brooke estate, County Fermanagh, for over two hundred years."
I was thinking John Maguire might have been a landsteward to Brooke family but perhaps he was employed as a gardener there (and possibly family had worked to them for several generations).
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https://eastbelfasthistory.com/books/east-belfast-revisited-volume-2/
Wandsworth Villa c1940.
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Have you considered that he might have gone to the US with his daughter?
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Thanks everyone.
Just received further information from a family member which may mean a change of direction.
It appears John MAGUIRE was Catholic and he married a Protestant, which resulted in him being kicked out of the family and moving to Belfast. This information also said that John's parents both died in the potato famine.
He only had the two children Hugh 1843-1896 and a sister that I mentioned in the original post who went to the US.
Have found a death in Belfast in 1887 for a John MAGUIRE in Strandtown, which is where Hugh was living. Wife Elizabeth was the informant. He was 60 which might be a bit young to have a child born in 1844, but in this game you never know.
Ian C
So where's Elizabeth Maguire's death record?
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2 houses at Wandsworth Villas?
BELFAST WATER COMMISSIONERS
... Churchill, 2 houses, Inverary, Sydenham, S.D.; David Holy- wood, 1 house, Ballycloughan, S.D.; R. Maguire, 2 houses, Wandsworth Villas, Belmont, S.D.; F. Manderson, 6 houses, Manderson Street, S.D.; James Meneely, 2 houses, Osborne Park, S.D.; Wm. Milling ...
Published: Friday 02 October 1885
Newspaper: Belfast News-Letter
County: Antrim, Northern Ireland
Type: Article | Words: 2158 | Page: 7
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Wonder if R. Maguire is OCR error fo H. Maguire.
1880- https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880m.htm
Maguire & Edwards, upholsterers and wholesale bedding manufacturers and commission agents, 60 Upper Arthur Street
Maguire, Hugh, (of Maguire & Edwards), Wandsworth Villas, Belmont Park
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I don't have access to BNA but it looks like it. It remains to be seen if they are referring to his business address and residence or two residences at Wandsworth Villa.
I wonder if John was actually a carpenter, given that Hugh was in the furniture making business?
1868 Belfast Street Directory
Maguire, John, carpenter, Church Street, Ballymacarrett
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Wonder if R. Maguire is OCR error fo H. Maguire.
1880- https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880m.htm
Maguire & Edwards, upholsterers and wholesale bedding manufacturers and commission agents, 60 Upper Arthur Street
Maguire, Hugh, (of Maguire & Edwards), Wandsworth Villas, Belmont Park
On Hugh Maguire marriage to Sarah Mitchell in 1870 Hughs address is recorded as 53 Arthur Street
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Hugh's will executors were Sarah J. Maguire, Widow, and George A. Maguire, Gentleman.
I wonder who was George A. Maguire? His eldest son was George Jordan Maguire and he would be 25 years old at the time of his father's death.
His wife was Sarah Ann, not Sarah J., so anything is possible ::)
https://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014909/005014909_00611.pdf
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Hi there everyone and thanks for the assistance, but am going to close this one as it seems unlikely that anything will be found.
Have had some more information about John. It appears that both he and his wife, still no name, had belonged to a wealthy Catholic family, had become Protestant, and were cut off completely by the family. It was actually John and his wife who died in the famine, not his parents. The two children were taken in by different families. Hugh's sister was adopted by a family named SMITH and they emigrated to the US.
Ian C