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Title: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton - Completed, with thanks
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 19 November 25 19:35 GMT (UK)
According to a newspaper article dated 23 March 1901 George Hamerton transferred the licence of the Dorset Dining Rooms to William Henry Cozens whilst George acquired the licence to The Angel Inn.   By the time of the census, later that month, George is at The Angel Inn, Southampton but the only William Henry Cozens that I can find is a Fisherman at Weston. I can't see a William Cozens at the Dorset Dining Rooms either.

I am trying to find out where the Dorset Dining Rooms were.  Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: Sc00p on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:19 GMT (UK)
They were at 2 East Street according to this report. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/f6b819b4-3b1c-4cb0-8042-cad7ce43f6bc (https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/f6b819b4-3b1c-4cb0-8042-cad7ce43f6bc)

Are you sure he was William Henry and not William James as reported?
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:23 GMT (UK)
Possible?

25 October 1866: Weymouth Telegram
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DORSET DINING ROOMS.
ALL Persons VISITING SOUTHAMPTON (either on Business or Pleasure) should also Visit the DORSET DINNER, TEA, and COFFEE ROOMS Upper East-street, 2 doors below All Saints Church.
Fine Ales. Good Beds. Charges strictly moderate.
 JOHN ALLEN, Proprietor.
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:29 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for that  :D

The newspaper article definitely says William Henry but they are often inaccurate.

On checking the 1901 census again I can see that he is at 2 East St.  I saw his occupation as Block Maker and didn't read further but he was also a Publican.

The Dorset Dining Rooms and The Angel were quite close together.
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:30 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for the earlier advert Alan.  It definitely sounds more than a pub.
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:33 GMT (UK)
1868/1870 Town Plan showing East Street and All Saints Church, but no sign of it, presumably because it wasn't licensed.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/231283524#zoom=4.6&lat=8407&lon=3417&layers=BT

Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:38 GMT (UK)
A 1902 article about a petty theft at the Dorset Dining Rooms has the owner being Sophia Cozens the wife of William James Cozens.

It was clearly licensed at that time.
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:40 GMT (UK)
That's an interesting map.  So many breweries, almost one on every block!
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:42 GMT (UK)
A 1902 article about a petty theft at the Dorset Dining Rooms has the owner being Sophia Cozens the wife of William James Cozens.

It was clearly licensed at that time.

Yes, the accused had been drinking there.
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:44 GMT (UK)
That 1902 article seems to be the last mention of the Dorset Dining Rooms in newspapers. The Cozens are still at no.2 in 1911, he is a block and spar maker, she is home duties, no mention of ‘victualling’.
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 19 November 25 20:58 GMT (UK)
Southampton Libraries have a 1907 directory but the pages for East Street are missing  :(
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton
Post by: Sc00p on Wednesday 19 November 25 21:02 GMT (UK)
1911 Kellys has him as  Cozens Wm. Jas. Beer Retailer
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton - Completed, with thanks
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 19 November 25 21:09 GMT (UK)
It looks like they stopped doing food.

There's an interesting photo of the area dated 1910, but not clear enough to make out all the names on the buildings.

https://southampton.spydus.co.uk/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/FULL/WPAC/BIBENQ/4122133/26109450,15
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton - Completed, with thanks
Post by: AlanBoyd on Thursday 20 November 25 13:06 GMT (UK)
This 1948 large scale map shows that no. 2 East Street survived WWII bombing, unlike All Saints Church.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/144787904#zoom=4.4&lat=1937&lon=1690&layers=BT

Judging by the presence of no. 104 on the building in the left foreground this is a view west towards High Street. (image from https://mhv.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24269226.east-street-southampton---road-changed-years/?ref=rss)
Title: Re: Dorset Dining Rooms, Southampton - Completed, with thanks
Post by: bearkat on Friday 21 November 25 08:40 GMT (UK)
Southampton was heavily bombed during WWII. My father came back from the war to a town he barely recognised.

No 2 was a very narrow building!