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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Keziah2 on Sunday 16 November 25 16:48 GMT (UK)
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Help please I’m going round in circles!
I have Charles S Pryke (transcribed as Charles T on some sites) born c1885 in Paddington. He had 3 children the eldest being Ellen H born c1908. Wife Sophia b Lewisham.
I think I have him in 1901 living with his widowed mother Ellen Pryke age 42 in Willesden- the ages all seem to tie in. I have Ellen in 1921 born c1855 living with son John age 28 c1893 in Willesden but I can’t find any of them in 1911.
Can anyone help me track down the family in 1911 please & if you can find a marriage of a Charles Pryke to a Sophia that would be a huge bonus.
Thank you in advance. 🤞the super sleuths on here can help.
K
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Marriage 1907 Willesden
Sophia Faulkner to Samuel Charles Pryke
He gives his father as Samuel Charles Brown, builder
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From the GRO, You can find the birth certificate for Samuel Charles PRYKE 1885 Paddington.
No mother on index, so infers that he was illegitimate
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In 1911, the family is in Willesden, but under the surname BROWN
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Thank you Neale 1961 - by a process of elimination I’d sort of come to conclusion that she may have been Sophia Faulkner that married Samuel Charles Brown in 1907 Hendon Rd but linking that to Charles S Pryke was proving difficult? What was your source please?
K
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Brilliant thank you so much
K
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Ellen Pryke born 25 Sept 1908 has her birth registered under the surname PRYKE, but her baptism is under the surname BROWN
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the marriage register of St Michael & All Angels, Stonebridge originally had the name Brown for Samuel Charles. It was changed to Pryke 19 Sept 1920 in the presence of S C Pryke and S Pryke formerly S Faulkner. Marriage was 25 Dec 1907.
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Thank you Osprey very helpful
K
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In 1911 census, the mother Ellen Pryke, born in Oxfordshire abt 1856, is using the surname BROWN.
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Baptism for Helen Pryke
2 Nov 1856 Middleton Stoney, Oxfordshire
Parents - Samuel and Caroline. father is a game keeper..
The corresponding birth registration gives mothers maiden name as WRIGHT
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there's a workhouse admission Edgware 19 July 1895 for
Ellen Pryke b. 1861
Ellen b. 1884
Charles b. 1885
Joseph b. 1889
Benjamin b. 1891
John b. 1893
noted as destitute.
Perhaps that's when Mr Brown left the picture. :-\
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I spotted that in my search & saved it just in case - did I ever think helping a friend find her roots would get this complicated😂🤣
Sound like Mr Brown the builder was a tad unreliable.
Thank you Osprey it’s all starting to fall into place.
K
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Don't think he was playing Happy Families! Wonder if he was married to someone else so couldn't marry Ellen?
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found them in 1891. Census does show Braw, but I'm not finding other results for Samuel Braw...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q632-H3Z?lang=en
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Wow - thank you. It’s definitely them Ellen’s pob is Oxford on the 1891 original. The old style handwriting is just a bit curly but I’m confident it is Brown not Braw.
K
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found them in 1891. Census does show Braw, but I'm not finding other results for Samuel Braw...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q632-H3Z?lang=en
That was a good find Osprey, but I have not been able to progress things any further with Mr. Brown the builder/ joiner, after quite some time looking. It does say BRAW on the 1891 census, but all the following records say BROWN.
I cannot find either Ellen or Samuel in 1881.
If all those 5 children were fathered by Samuel Brown, then he and Ellen were together a fairly long while.
Maybe the addresses on the birth certificates for the children will help to pin point Ellen's movements.
They were in Willesden in 1891 and then by 1895 Ellen and children are in Hendon workhouse.
So did Samuel Brown die between 1891 and 1895? - somewhere in the Willesden / Hendon area?
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More research into Helen Pryke bot 1856 Middleton Stoney as suggested by Neale1961 needed but I’m off out today. Thank you all for your help.
K
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Couldn’t wait so over a coffee break 😂
1861. David 33 & Caroline Pryke 30 both born in Suffolk with 6 children born Caulcott, Oxfordshire. One is an Ellen Pryke age 5. All living in Finsbury. By 1871 they are on Isle of Wight but no Ellen?
1871 Ellen Pryke in service in Brading, Hampshire age 15 born Oxford.
K
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1871 Ellen is on Isle of Wight working as a servant for the Cooper family.
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Just found that - coffee gone cold!
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1881 census for Ellen, possibly.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q274-2C75?lang=en
It does says Pryke on the census, but is mis-transcribed as Pryce.
It looks as if she had a very good position working for a retired Rear Admiral.
I wonder where and when she met "Mr Brown" because 3 years later she had the child Ellen born in London.
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Ellen’s mother
Caroline PRYKE (nee WRIGHT) died 1876 Isle of Wight (age 50)
Baptism 15 Jan. 1826 Sudbourne, Suffolk
Caroline WRIGHT. d/o William Wright (labourer) and Priscilla
1841 census Sudbourne, Suffolk (Wood House)
William Wright 37 game keeper
Priscilla Wright 38
Caroline Wright 15
Susan Wright 10
George Wright 8
Eliza Wright 6
William Wright 18 wheelwright
MARRIAGE 9 Apr. 1845 Sudbourne, Suffolk
Samuel PYKE, 22, bachelor, game keeper, residence Sudbourne. Father – James Pyke, labourer
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Caroline WRIGHT, 20, spinster, residence Sudbourne. Father – William Wright, gamekeeper.
Ellen’s father
Samuel PRYKE died 1903 Isle of Wight (age 81)
Baptism 30 Mar 1823 Orford Suffolk
Samuel PRYKE. s/o James (labourer) and Maria Pryke. Abode - Gedgrave
1841 census Orford, Suffolk, Hamlet of Gedgrave
James Prike 50 Ag labourer
Mary Pryke, 40
William Pryke 20 Ag labourer
Samuel Pryke 18 Ag labourer
James Pryke 12
Daniel Pryke 8
Grave stones -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/193030652/james-pryke
[Possible Marriage – 16 Aug 1818 Benhall Suffolk; James PRICKE to Maria POOLEY]
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Thanks Neal 1961
Yes I had a poke around yesterday evening & came up with some of that - so good you have found same.
I spent quite a bit of time looking for Mr Brown - trouble is there’s lots of them in London. I did find one that was a joiner born in Great Witchingham, wife Ann. He was b c1831 & was in London & I looked to see if they had a son Samuel or Charles but no luck. Anyway he would have been a bit too old & off spring probably not old enough. Have come to conclusion that it’s going to be very difficult to track Mr Brown down.
Charles samuel Brown age 7 in 1851 with parents James & Mary Ann living in Bloomsbury? Fits the bill age wise but…. One for later.
K
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Think that was one I had a look at earlier. He was born Holborn & is a printer in later census entries.
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDJ-BF8?lang=en
1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-YBR8?lang=en
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Thank you for looking Osprey - I’m ever hopeful I might stumble upon a more suitable candidate 🤞