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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: qu1ckdry on Sunday 16 November 25 14:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi All!
I'm trying to find a scan of a marriage certificate between Jeremiah Sullivan and Mary Ann Toomy in Q2 1858 at St George Southwark, London. I know this marriage happened at this place due to the England and Wales Civil Registration Marriage Index 1837-1915. However I'd like to see the actual document and hopefully get the names of their parents.
Does anyone know if they've been digitised and where I can find them? I have access to Ancestry but haven't found them on there yet. Is my only option to have it sent using the GRO service?
Thanks for any help!
James
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Only fathers names are shown on English marriage certs. Have you looked for him on earlier censuses
1861 shows Jeremiah was b Newington Surrey 1839 but Mary was b Ireland. 1871 & 1881 she is shown b Newington
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Interestingly there is a 14 year old Jeremiah Sullivan LIVING in Newington in 1851 - with a father, Jeremiah Sullivan - both born in Cork, Ireland.
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When you say that the civil registration marriage index says they were married in St George Southwark, bear in mind that it is a Registration District not an individual place, and it is highly unlikely to have had only one church in it. Indeed you may well be looking for a catholic church since one or both of them could be Irish. I did not see the marriage on Findmypast and you have looked on Ancestry so unless someone can find it on Familysearch then you are probably better in the long run getting a copy certificate from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Afterthought - one-name.org/marriage-locator, which is still incomplete, says 'Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage. The entry is located between entries for Southwark St Stephen and Southwark St George the Martyr RO, both in RD St George Southwark.' so a catholic or other non-conformist church seems likely.
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I agree with garden genie -- I cannot see a parish record on either Ancestry OR Find My Past.
St George's Southwark is a Registration District so not a specific church. In this case as there is a likely Irish connection the couple may be R.C.
No alternative but to obtain the marriage cert. from GRO. (Sorry!)
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You can see the church record of the marriage in FindMyPast and maybe in Ancestry if you use the latinised version of their names.
Mariam Annam TOOMEY married Jeremiam SULLIVAN on 18 Apr 1858 at St George’s Cathedral.
The father’s names are given. No occupations or abodes which you might get from the marriage certificate.
PS - search for the bride rather than the groom as Sullivans are common as muck.
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Spelk -- well done!!
I looked on both sites and didn't find a Parish record.
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Oh dear, I missed that! I suppose I am too used to FindMyPast including all the logical variations automatically. Well that is my excuse ;) (I do wish catholic priests had recorded all the details that the certificates do.)
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possible baptisms same church
10 Dec 1837 Jeremiah son of John & Joanna Sullivan, maiden name Sullivan, Jeremiah born 3 Dec.
3 June 1838 Jeremiah son of John & Joanna Sullivan, maiden name Brian, Jeremiah born 9 May
29 July 1838 Jeremiah son of John & Mary Sullivan, maiden name Carty, Jeremiah born 9 July.
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You can see the church record of the marriage in FindMyPast and maybe in Ancestry if you use the latinised version of their names.
Mariam Annam TOOMEY married Jeremiam SULLIVAN on 18 Apr 1858 at St George’s Cathedral.
The father’s names are given. No occupations or abodes which you might get from the marriage certificate.
PS - search for the bride rather than the groom as Sullivans are common as muck.
Hi Spelk! Thanks for checking. So you can see the record on findmypast? And it contains the Fathers names? I've tried your suggestion to Latinise the name on Ancestry but couldn't locate it
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ok, I signed up to findmypast and this is the record I've been looking for! Thanks again for suggesting Latinising the name, that would never have occurred to me. Is that mostly a Catholic record thing or should I always be checking that?
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Some Anglican vicars carried on using Latin for a century or two after the Reformation but most did not. FindMyPast and Ancestry will both tend to recognise that the given name Guillielmus is the same as William so not usually an issue.
The Catholics I think do still carry on the practice of using Latin to show that they are educated above us hoy poloy.
If I remember right I actually located the marriage using the name Maria Tooly with variation of both given and surname.