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Jabez was baptised at Heage chapel on 25 April 1842. I cannot trace him after the 1871 census when he and his family lived at the ship inn, st mary's gate, chesterfield. He married Sarah Elizabeth Barker at the parish church, staveley, derby on 22 june 1863.
Jabez narrowly escaped the Clay Cross pit disaster in 1861 and I wonder if he might have died in another such disaster.
I can't find anything in Ancestry, Familysearch or Findmypast and don't know where else to look, so any help would be much appreciated. Thank you all.
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Melton - a warm welcome to Rootschat!
Have you found his wife after 1871 please?
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Welcome from me too.
On the 1863 marriage - his surname is spelt Britton
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There are newspaper reports from 1871 concerning a Chesterfield case involving a Jabez Brittain of the Old Ship Inn, St Mary’s Gate. Does that sound like your Jabez?
Added: apologies, you had all of this. I’ll shut up now.
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I’ve found Jabez Brittain at that address in 1871. He is 28, born Heage.
Added:
1871
RD Chesterfield
ED 9
piece 3610
folio 46
At A**y he is transcribed as John Brittain
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In 1881 Sarah & children are living in Yorkshire & she is shown as a widow. Youngest child is aged 9 b Derbyshire
She remarries to Michael Harrison in 1882 as Sarah Elizabeth Britton
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Thank you Carole - so it looks like his death between 1871 and 1881 is 'missing' at the moment - how strange.
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I've just been looking thru the deaths from 1871-1881 & there are 2 Jabez Britton entries but ages don't match
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There is a birth on freebmd for a Jabez Bridden in Derbyshire 1842
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Thank you all for such rapid responses. They confirm what I have so far. I'm baffled how there is nothing at the GRO for his death.
And that you for your welcomes. I think I'm going to enjoy RootsChat.
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over the generations I've found the surname spelt Britton, Brittain and Bridden.
AlanBoyd I've got some newspaper items posted by achesterfieldblogger but none of it mentions Jabez - is there something else? Apologies - I'm not well versed yet in genealogy - I don't know what the references indicate on your second post. Cheers
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You don't have to apologize Melton - we all had to start at some point and we tend to assume that others will know what we mean.
Never be afraid to ask - we all love trying to help others and have all been helped in the past BY others.
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Thank you Pennine
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Ah AlanBoyd I've found the newspaper piece you mentioned - the theft of 14s from the till at the ship inn. thank you.
Pennines, I'll try to spell your username properly in future. :)
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Derby Courier 12 Oct 1872 (1) & Derbyshire News, 13 Sep 1873 (1a)
Can't see Jabez described as landlord in either the '71 Census ("licensed victualler") or Jun '70 court case ("master" of girl accused of theft). Reasonable to assume he was no longer at the Old Ship Inn by Oct 1872 when Farnsworth enters the lists?
Ah - cannot post attachments re. status of post. But looks like you have access to newspapers?
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Thank you Hanes - will have a look tomorrow on Findmypast
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Derbyshire Advertiser & Journal, 21 Jun 1872
TRANSFER OF PUBLIC HOUSES - the Ship Inn, Gerard St, from William Bentley to George Stevenson
Directory of South Derbyshire, 1874
Old Ship, 43 Gerard St. William Stevenson, v.**
** v = victualler
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There are newspaper snippets regarding a Joseph Brittain at the Industry Inn, Fitzwilliam Street, Sheffield.
Whilst there are a couple of Josephs in 1871 and 1881, I can’t see any connections to being a Publican.
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Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
Brittain James 33 Shiffnal 6a 405
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Check Wellington Journal, 25 Oct 1873.
"Fits" PatLac's find.
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There looks to be more information in another snippet
18 October 1873
Ironbridge Weekly Journal and Borough of Wenlock Advertiser
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The Staffordshire Advertiser, 27 Jul 1872
see page 6, column 5.
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The Staffordshire Advertiser, 24 Feb 1872
page 5, end column "South Staffordshire Hospital - Donations.
refers to "A Britten"?
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Thank you everyone for your helpful replies. It's amazing to discover so much just by asking. I have downloaded Jabez' death certificate from the GRO. Unfortunately the image has been badly cropped and omits significant details (I assume). Has anyone experienced such a problem before?
Am I permitted to post the image on here so that you can see what I mean?
Thanks again
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Hi Melton,
Yes you can share the image as long as it doesn't contain information about living people.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/copyright.asp
I don't have access to BNA, are those newspaper snippets confirming that he is 'your' Jabez?
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The newspaper snippet about the suicide 1873 (James Brittain) mentions his having had a pub in Wolverhampton. The newspaper snippets relate to a possible pub, the Star and Garter, Victoria Street.
Need as much info as possible to link "Jabez, the Old Ship, St Mary Gate" to "James, former publican, Wolverhampton, died Tong"..
I assume the death registration downloaded from GRO is the 1873 James, Shifnal although poster states "I have downloaded Jabez's death cert"
Yet to positively link Jabez Brittain with death of James Brittain.
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Thanks hanes teulu. Would the inquest regarding his death be archived somewhere?
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Is this his son?
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/223176252/joseph-barker-britton
BRITTON, JOSEPH BARKER 51
GRO Reference: 1917 J Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 657
If he is his son and has been interred as BRITTON, I wonder if this could be his father?
Deaths Dec 1871 (>99%)
BRITTON John 28 Oswestry 6a 500
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Thanks hanes teulu. Would the inquest regarding his death be archived somewhere?
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/coroners-inquests/
Try googling "have inquest reports been archived" or similar.
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This is what we know, I think
1871 3610 /46/2
Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Jabez Brittain, 28 yrs , Licensed Victualler with wife, Sarah and children, Hannah Martha, James B and Thomas W.
* James B is presumably Joseph Barker Brittain
1881 4669/39/13
Handsworth, Yorkshire
Sarah E is a widow with children, Martha H, Joseph B, Thomas W, and Maria.
Maria was registered in Chesterfield in 1871.
I wonder why he would go to Tong, Shropshire? Perhaps the death certificate will have a bit more information.
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FreeREG has two records under surname BRITTON
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/6918c5b386557422ff935512?locale=en
BRIDDAN
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5f92e1c7f493fd0995551f40/joseph-barker-briddan-baptism-derbyshire-staveley-1867-08-23?locale=en
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What I see -
Jabez last sighted in the Old Ship Inn in June 1871 - (newspaper report). The licence of the Old Ship Inn changes hands Jun 1872 but no mention of Jabez - (newspaper report).
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According to this, the Farnsworth family was living there by 4 October 1871
https://www.claycross.org.uk/Farnsworth/Farnsworth_John.htm
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What I see -
Jabez last sighted in the Old Ship Inn in June 1871 - (newspaper report). The licence of the Old Ship Inn changes hands Jun 1872 but no mention of Jabez - (newspaper report).
Yes I agree - no mention after that. But then I wonder why Sarah moved to Handsworth, Yorkshire. However, it is only about 13 miles away from Chesterfield.
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I think his surname is likely to be BRITTON
THE INQUES'T
... I do not know his exact age, but believe he was about 49, I have seen his body to-day. lam sure it is him, Jabez Britton, sworn.—l am a collier and live at Clay Cross. Ou Tuesday, June 11, I was working in my stall in the dips, on the sonth ...
Published: Saturday 13 July 1861
Newspaper: Midland Gazette and Mansfield Times
County: Nottinghamshire, England
Type: Article | Words: 1144 | Page: 4
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What I see -
Jabez last sighted in the Old Ship Inn in June 1871 - (newspaper report). The licence of the Old Ship Inn changes hands Jun 1872 but no mention of Jabez - (newspaper report).
Yes I agree - no mention after that. But then I wonder why Sarah moved to Handsworth, Yorkshire. However, it is only about 13 miles away from Chesterfield.
Her parents Joseph Barker and Hannah nee Duell were also living there in 1881 with daughter Hannah, a nephew and a granddaughter.
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Thank you everyone for your helpful replies. It's amazing to discover so much just by asking. I have downloaded Jabez' death certificate from the GRO. Unfortunately the image has been badly cropped and omits significant details (I assume). Has anyone experienced such a problem before?
Am I permitted to post the image on here so that you can see what I mean?
Thanks again
You can report this to the GRO - I’m pretty sure they refunded me when I had a similar badly cropped certificate
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Thanks Jo6100. I'm not too bothered about a refund from the GRO - it was just £3.00. I just hope they can send a more complete image - if they have it. The certificate is not the standard death certificate but I couldn't copy and paste the image here and I don't know how to attach it.
The certificate is for the following GRO reference:
BRITTAIN, JAMES age at death 33
1873 D quarter in Shifnal Volume 6A page 405
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Can you make out occupation or residence?
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Neither unfortunately Heywood. The image shows just the right-hand 3 columns:
column 1 indecipherable
column 2 date 20th December 1873
column 3 name of registrar
Most of the certificate is missing. I've sent a query form to the GRO and hope they have got a more complete record.
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The newspaper snippet about the suicide 1873 (James Brittain) mentions his having had a pub in Wolverhampton. The newspaper snippets relate to a possible pub, the Star and Garter, Victoria Street.
Need as much info as possible to link "Jabez, the Old Ship, St Mary Gate" to "James, former publican, Wolverhampton, died Tong"..
I assume the death registration downloaded from GRO is the 1873 James, Shifnal although poster states "I have downloaded Jabez's death cert"
Yet to positively link Jabez Brittain with death of James Brittain.
1871 2930 /66/23
Star and Garter hotel, Victoria Street, Wolverhampton
William Britton, Hotel Keeper, b Birmingham
Amelia, wife
Bennet, brother,
Horatio, nephew
Mary, niece
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Jabez' father Thomas Britton didn't have a son called William but I guess he could be a cousin. I'll search Thomas's other children.
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In fact I'll start with Thomas's siblings
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In 1881 , Arthur Britton is the licencee.
The censuses have really poor writing and on both of them, there are nephews and nieces.
I’ve tried going back in the censuses and can’t see any connection to Derbyshire.
I have doubts that there is a connection to Jabez.
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It's intriguing. Jabez' grandson was Jabez Britton and his great grandson was Arthur Britton, my dad.
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Long shot
Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%)
Brittain James 42 Wolverhampton 6b 367
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/199743570/james-brittain
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Jabez' brother Thomas (Tom) Britton was a beer-house keeper (Black Horse, Clay Cross)
Maria, wife of Mr. Tom Britton, beerhouse-keeper, aged years. Lately, Clay Cross, Mr. Georgs Shaw, aged 6 wears. January 25th, Press, Asborer, Mr. Young ...
Published: Saturday 28 January 1871
Newspaper: Derbyshire Courier
County: Derbyshire, England
Type: Article | Words: 669 | Page: 3
And landlord of the Devonshire Hotel
Tom Britton, landlord of the Devonshire Hotel, Newbold Moor, applied for a license to seil spirits —...
Published: Saturday 02 September 1876
Newspaper: Glossop Times
County: Derbyshire, England
Type: Article | Words: 6037 | Page: 3
His son Tom Britton was also a publican
SHIRLAND LICENSEE Death of Mr. Tom Britton
... SHIRLAND LICENSEE Death of Mr. Tom Britton Mr. Tom Britton, Hay Hotel, Main Road, Shirland, died on Tuesday week at his home. He was a native of Clay Cross, but for over 40 years had been licensee of The Hay Hotel. He was a member of the Licensed Victuallers’ ...
Published: Friday 01 September 1950
Newspaper: Belper News
County: Derbyshire, England
Type: Article | Words: 149 | Page: 4
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It is interesting that both Jabez and his brother Tom became beerhouse keepers because in their twenties they had been miners and both narrowly escaped the Clay Cross pit disaster of 11 June 1861.
They must have concluded that mining was too hazardous.
It is possible (timing-wise) that the James Brittain who drowned at Tong, Shropshire in October 1873 was the Jabez who was living with his family at Chesterfield at the 1871 census, which was taken on 2 April 1871. Who knows, his mining traumas might have played on his mind to the extent that he left home and assumed the name James.
I am trying to establish whether the Derbyshire Brittains and the West Midlands ones were connected.
I have found the burial register for James - 18 October 1873 at Tong, entry 571. If there was a memorial stone that might help, but I can't trace one.
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Thomas Britton said during the inquest that he was 22 years-old and had been working in number 2 Black Shale pit ten or eleven years. :(
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000052/18610724/002/0002
James/Jabez/ Britton/Brittain, the names appear to have been used interchangeably.
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000228/18601215/003/0002
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0006184/18601222/086/0004
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000052/18610717/041/0008
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0006184/18610713/054/0004
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000250/18701227/051/0005
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000181/18710609/021/0004
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000395/18710617/049/0002
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In 1881 , Arthur Britton is the licencee.
Perhaps the 1871 census is wrong? Did William and Amelia Britton actually exist?
Arthur Richard Britton was the licensee at the time, wife was Ann(ie) (as per 1881), the ages match up with William and Amelia.
And it was Arthur R Britton who had a brother Bennett
Could also the newspaper report be wrong about the Star & Garter?
Harrod & Co.'s Directory, 1870, has, in Wolverhampton
Brittain James, victualler, Merridale st
Britton Arthur R., Star and Garter Royal Family and Commercial hotel, Victoria street
(I think this image can be magnified!)
https://leicester.contentdm.oclc.org/iiif/2/p15407coll9:6796/full/730,/0/default.jpg?page=1131
Perhaps the James who died at Tong was the former victualler from Merridale Street? :-\
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I don't have access to this one, but it seems to be one of those James Brittain who were victuallers
that of the Rugt Mr. Thomas Higgs to Thomas Edmonds ; and that x— Red Lion, Wolston, temporarily, from Joseph Oa n it James Brittain. Licenszs.—An occasional ight was granted to Mr. Huzzard, of the Windmill, Rt sell at a flower show and match at Bourt ...
Published: Wednesday 09 July 1879
Newspaper: Rugby Advertiser
County: Warwickshire, England
Type: Article | Words: 981 | Page: 4
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In 1881 , Arthur Britton is the licencee.
Perhaps the 1871 census is wrong? Did William and Amelia Britton actually exist?
Arthur Richard Britton was the licensee at the time, wife was Ann(ie) (as per 1881), the ages match up with William and Amelia.
And it was Arthur R Britton who had a brother Bennett
Could also the newspaper report be wrong about the Star & Garter?
Harrod & Co.'s Directory, 1870, has, in Wolverhampton
Brittain James, victualler, Merridale st
Britton Arthur R., Star and Garter Royal Family and Commercial hotel, Victoria street
(I think this image can be magnified!)
https://leicester.contentdm.oclc.org/iiif/2/p15407coll9:6796/full/730,/0/default.jpg?page=1131
Perhaps the James who died at Tong was the former victualler from Merridale Street? :-\
James Britten of the Merridale Arms, Merridale Street, and Hugh '*ynn, of the Unicorn public-house, Eilston Street, both previously convicted, were each ordered by the M ...
Published: Friday 10 March 1871
Newspaper: Birmingham Daily Post
County: Warwickshire, England
Type: Article | Words: 2835 | Page: 6
OFFENDiNG Publicans.—Yesterday, tha Police Court, Jamee Brittain, Merridale Arm's, Merridale Street, was summoned for keeping his house open during improper hours on Sunday last.—The case was proved by Police-constable ...
Published: Friday 10 March 1871
Newspaper: Birmingham Daily Gazette
County: Warwickshire, England
Type: Article | Words: 292 | Page: 7
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According to this, the Farnsworth family was living there by 4 October 1871
https://www.claycross.org.uk/Farnsworth/Farnsworth_John.htm
"On 2 April 1871 Eli and Hannah, and three of their children (Elizabeth, Sarah A. and Emma aged 8, 4 and 3 respectively) were living at Eyre Street, Clay Cross and Eli was employed as a coal miner. They had 2 boarders living with them at the time, 48 year old bricklayers labourer William Galby and 5 month old baby Jabes Britton. It is not know what, if any, relationship these people had to Eli and Hannah.
By 4 October 1871 their circumstances had changed considerably and the family were living at the Ship Inn, St Mary's Gate, Chesterfield."
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXK-8BJ?lang=en
He was the son of Jabez' brother Thomas, his wife Maria, died in January 1871, probably of childbirth complications, but why was the baby living with the Farnsworth family? Could Hannah had been his wet nurse, although she had another child later that same year?
"Ruth, was born at the Ship Inn, Chesterfield on 4 October 1871, and baptised at St Mary's Church, Chesterfield on 19 June 1874"
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I wonder why the marriage records of Jabez' daughters Hannah Martha (m. 1881) and Maria (m. 1888), both in Rotherham, say their father's occupation is 'boiler maker"?
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OFFENDiNG Publicans.—Yesterday, tha Police Court, Jamee Brittain, Merridale Arm's, Merridale Street, was summoned for keeping his house open during improper hours on Sunday last.—The case was proved by Police-constable ...
Published: Friday 10 March 1871
Newspaper: Birmingham Daily Gazette
It's really unfortunate, the Birmingham Daily Post of 5 April 1871 has
TRANSFERS OF LICENSES.—Yesterday, the following alehouse transfers were declared:—
The Fox Inn, North Street, from Ann Plant to John Bailey; the Merridale Arms, Merridale Street, from James Brittain to William Spittle....
It seems on census night (2 April) William Spittle was already in residence at the Merridale Arms, along with his wife
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5RF-FVT
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And in 1871, Jabez Brittain was in Chesterfield.
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Hi heywood
Yes he was. He'd been in Chesterfield a while though, hadn't he?
I am hoping that Merridale James Brittain was still around in Wolverhampton in the 1871 census, perhaps doing something different?
There is this one, James Brittain, 31, Iron Merchant, born Stourbridge
Apparently married to Sarah, and visiting the Tylers
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDDX-YGD
He was in Wolverhampton in 1861 as Britton, living with his parents and sisters.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7CT-V4R
It may be a longshot, but James Brittain born Stourbridge in 1840 may be on the missing persons list. That's a very long list! He is though a perfect match age wise for the Tong death.
Anyway he is not the James Brittain who died in Wolverhampton in March 1881, age 42, the burial record shows that chap was the lock maker who was living there with his family previously
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/685669e38655747a97ee369d
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Age wise this one is a possibility although the place of death seems unlikely, but who knows?
Name: Age at Death (in years):
BRITAIN, JAMES 28
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 133
He was christened 25 April 1842, so depending on the date of death he would still be 28.
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PatLac I've just seen the family tree you put on FamilySearch and it appears from Thomas William Britton and Anne Maria Grant's marriage certificate that Jabez Britton was still alive in 1890. Jabez and Sarah Elizabeth must have divorced after the 1871 census because she married Michael Harrison at the Parish church, Rotherham in 1882 (9c,364). The 1881 census shows Sarah Elizabeth's status as a widow, but perhaps this was to hide a difficult reality.
I now see that Jabez appears to have attended his son Joseph Barker Britton's wedding in 1893. This is a merry dance and I'm sorry to have posted a misleading initial enquiry, but I have very much enjoyed, and appreciate all the sterling responses I've received so far. Thank you all.
I must say I am a bit relieved that he didn't drown in 1873!
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Is Jabez listed as a witness in his son's marriage certificate? I have attached the record but there's no image on FS.
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His name is on the certificate but not specifically as a witness
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His name is on the certificate but not specifically as a witness
Unfortunately that doesn't mean he was alive.