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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Abhanliath on Thursday 13 November 25 19:18 GMT (UK)
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I have a manifest for Lancelot Rouse - "REJECTED", whatever that means, of 92 St Urbain St, Montreal. He was seemingly heading to stay with his uncle, George Sampson, in Jersey City, in 1924.
What happened to Lancelot after this? I crave to know his future and (hopefully) his descendants.
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Same name from Urbain Street....??
The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Wed, 19 Sept 1923
Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-gazette/184893190/
Sandra
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Could this be him ??
The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Mon, 26 Apr 1999
Page 56
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-gazette-obituary-for-lancelot-rouse/184893313/
1921 census 163 St Antoine Montreal Quebec.
All Rouse 41 Head. Ireland.
Eva Rouse 34 Wife. USA.
Lancelot Rouse 14 Son. USA.
1931 census 3936 Rivard. Montreal. Quiebec.
Lancelot Rouse 25 Chef (Head)
Germaine Rouse 21 Epouse (Wife)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u38/
Sandra
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Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
Lancelot Felix Rouse (Marriage) (26 Apr 1930)
Marriage Place Montreal (Montréal), Québec (Quebec), Canada
Marriage Church Basilique Notre-Dame; Montréal
Place of Worship or Institution Basilique Notre-Dame
Father Henry Rouse- Mother Alice Lampron - Spouse Germaine Le Bail.
Sandra
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The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Mon, 29 May 2000
Page 49
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-gazette/184894319/
Sandra
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Oh… he's rather discarded his stepfather, Liebert Gifford?
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Is this the correct person ?
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I'm so delighted that he has 12 lovely great-grandchildren.
It was really his stepfather, Liebert, that I was after, but after all, Liebert sounds to have been a succesfull father, or perhaps stepfather.
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Yes, it sounds to be the right person.
Liebert worked on ships, and later as a sailmaker, etc; he married Lancelot's mother.
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That wasn't your original question -
Quebec, Canada, Death Registers 1926-1997
Liebert Edward Gifford 21 April 1880 (aged 53 years)
Residence Place Montreal
Death Date 22 Feb 1934 Montreal (Montréal), Quebec, Canada.
Burial - Notre-Dame, Montreal (Montréal), Québec (Quebec), Canada.
Witness Lancelot Rouse & John McCabe.
Spouse Eva Alice Sampson.
Sandra
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It was not indeed; I was wondering about Lancelot because he was Liebert's stepson, and it is good to hear of a happy outcome for him.
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1931 census 3936 Rivard. Montreal
Liebert Gifford 48 Chef (Head)
Eva Gifford 42 Epouse (Wife)
The Montreal Star
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Tue, 14 Dec 1937
Page 26
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-montreal-star/184895508/
Marriage
Eva Alice Rouse (Marriage) spouse Liebert Gifford
Marriage Date (22 Aug 1928)
Marriage Place Montreal (Montréal), Québec (Quebec), Canada
Marriage Church Mountain Street; Montréal
Place of Worship or Institution United Church Mountain Street
Religion United Church
Sandra
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Merci, Sandra!
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Liebert, (né 1876 Irlande) était beau-père de Lancelot. Ce Liebert etait l'enfant cheri de sa mère; il a travaillé sur les bateaux de 16 ans d'age.
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Lebirt Gifford born 27 April 1876 in Dublin. Father Frederick, a solicitor's apprentice. MMN Burton
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1876/03058/2121155.pdf
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Parent's marriage.
Frederick Gifford to Isabella Julia Burton - 27 April 1872
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11307/8148744.pdf
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Sometime in the early days of the internet I found Liebert serving on a ship somewhere in South America aged 16 - I suppose around 1992, but then the internet grew and concealed the record.
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at International Falls, Minnesota
arriving US December 31, 1909
Liebert Giford, 31, b Dublin, sails maker, last permanent residence: Sheho, Manitoba
headed to Cusson, Minnesota
5ft 8in, fair complexion, red hair, blue eyes,
arrived Canada Quebec, on the Emperor of Ireland, March 1907, but boat and date scrached out and replaced with 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK31-VZNF?lang=en
same event, but says Sheho, Sask. as last residence
carrying $25
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CTQN-CYT2?lang=en
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arrived Canada Quebec, on the Emperor of Ireland, March 1907, but boat and date scrached out and replaced with 1900
the manifest for this arrival doesn't mention 1907 or the ship, but just says he arrived Canada 1900
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at International Falls, Minnesota
arriving US December 31, 1909
Liebert Giford, 31, b Dublin, sails maker, last permanent residence: Sheho, Manitoba
headed to Cusson, Minnesota
5ft 8in, fair complexion, red hair, blue eyes,
arrived Canada Quebec, on the Emperor of Ireland, March 1907, but boat and date scrached out and replaced with 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK31-VZNF?lang=en
same event, but says Sheo, Sask. as last residence
carrying $25
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CTQN-CYT2?lang=en
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Land grant, Saskatchewan, Canada
applied 3 August 1907, granted 11 March 1911
middle name of Edw. is scratched out
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age 28
arriving London
embarked: Wellington, New Zealand
8 June 1905 on the Gothic
ports of voyage: New York [from ancestry's index to the record]
occupation: Shreman (?) Slireman? Stereman?
the image says nothing about New York
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I can't access this, so I don't know if it is him
Edward Gifford
Publication Date 10 Mar 1900
Publication Place Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Newspaper Title The Montreal Daily Star
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to add to Sandra's post
they were living on Rivard St when married and in 1931
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edited to remove some duplication with Sandra's posts earlier, which I had passed over. I think I removed all the duplication.
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I found this:
https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/183279-liebert-gifford-british-navy/
but when I got to the last post, I realized it was you. :) To quote: " (Around 1998 or so in the earliest incarnation of the internet, I came across a reference to Liebert Gifford working on a boat sailing from Ireland to, I think it was South America at the age of 16; unfortunately the internet ate the reference later and I haven't found it again."
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I didn't find the voyage to South America.
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Thank you so much for all this!
Liebert seems to have preferred to live strangely inland for a seaman!
Edward could have been his brother, Frederick Edward Gifford - if there's an age it would be clearer which it was.
There were five of the lads in the Americas at various stages: Liebert (I have no idea where this name came from - perhaps a family name, perhaps from a French branch); Cecil, who became a tragic alcoholic after WWI and died, I think, trying to cross from NY State to get to Liebert; Edward, who went to San Francisco where I've found little about him; Claude, a barrister; Gabriel, an artist, who lived in New York; also their sister Ada, and, briefly, their sisters Helen and Sidney. (I've failed to find Sidney's marriage to Arpad Czira…)
As far as I can track him, Liebert first left home around 16, after an education which included the Metropolitan School of Art and the excellent Dublin school called High School. He worked for the British "Merchant Navy" (British ships sailing around the world collecting and delivering goods).
In 1924 Lancelot Rouse tried to cross into the US, naming Liebert as his father.
In 1928 Liebert and Alice Eva Rouse marry.
(In the 1921 census of Canada, in Montreal, district something like St Autant, the Rouse family includes what looks like Ali(?), Eva and Lancelot - the birthplace of the father is given as Ireland, and everything else about him as Ireland or Irish. I can't read a lot of this, it's very scrawly.)
There are some Rouse births 1879-81 in Ireland listed in the civil records - https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/search/?church-or-civil=all&firstname=&lastname=Rouse+&location=&yearStart=1879&yearEnd=1881&event-birth=1&_day=&month=&mothers-surname=&age-at-death=&relation-0= and there are 205 Rouses in the 1901 census of Ireland http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Rouse&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=countySort&pageSize=100&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&pager.offset=0
(I tried to save the 1921 census page here but the server spat it back.)
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Rouse&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=countySort&pageSize=100&houseNumber=&famil
iesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&pager.offset=0
Use ShrinkLink for long links
https://www.rootschat.com/links/
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Parent's marriage.
Frederick Gifford to Isabella Julia Burton - 27 April 1872
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11307/8148744.pdf
Gifford - 1901 census
House 375 in Palmerston Road (Rathmines & Rathgar East, Dublin)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Palmerston_Road/1293833/
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Liebert, (né 1876 Irlande) était beau-père de Lancelot. Ce Liebert etait l'enfant cheri de sa mère; il a travaillé sur les bateaux de 16 ans d'age.
Translation :-
Liebert (born 1876 in Ireland) was Lancelot's stepfather. This Liebert was his mother's darling child; he worked on ships from the age of 16.
Sandra
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Mothers first marriage :-
Alice May Sampson - Spinster - Marriage Banns (Marriage Bann) 1901
Marriage Banns Place Saint Mary, Islington: Upper Street, Islington, England
Spouse Henry James Rouse - Bachelor - Parish Register.
Henry James Rouse passed away 1921 Calgary
Alberta Death Index
Name: Henry Rouse - Death Date: 1921
Death Place: Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Registration Number: 640
FIND A GRAVE
Inscription
434110 PTE. H ROUSE 31ST BTN. C.E.F.
Union Cemetery
Calgary, Calgary Census Division, Alberta, Canada
Plot
Section N-Field, Block 9, Lot 34
Bio as per find a grave :- WWI Regimental - 434110
Enlisted Dec. 31, 1914 at Calgary, Alberta in the 31st Battalion and served in France. Severely wounded in 1916. Discharged Dec. 31, 1917, being medically unfit for further service.
Next-of-kin: Mrs. Lizzie Craig, High Rd., Chiswick, London, England.
Son of Mark and Annie Rouse.
Henry James Rouse and Alice May Sampson were married at London, England in 1902.
Father of Henry James Rouse- Mark Rouse - 1840 - 1898 buried :-
FIND A GRAVE
St Mary the Virgin Churchyard
Merton, London Borough of Merton, Greater London.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/281299445/mark-rouse
The Daily Telegraph
London, Greater London
Thu, 1 Dec 1898
Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-telegraph/184932028/
Mark Rouse married twice. First marriage..
Annie Josephine Reeves - Father's Name John Reeves
Spouse's Name Mark Rouse - Marriage Date 9 Jan 1870
Marriage Place Newington, England.
Ann passed 8 th April 1884 Islington London
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=1054279
Father Mark remarried 1887
Mark Rouse - 15 October 1887 (aged 47 years)
Birth Date abt 1840
Marriage Place Saint George the Martyr: Borough High Street, Southwark, England
Father John Beaumont Rouse
Spouse Susanna Harriet Roberts
Brother Edward Mark Rouse 1872 - passed 1925
FIND A GRAVE
Epsom Cemetery
Epsom, Epsom and Ewell Borough, Surrey.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187825506/edward_mark-rouse
Edward Mark Rouse married Gertrude Kate Page at the Church of St George Matryn. Southwark.
16/12/1897
Sandra
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Death Notice
The Calgary Albertan
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Sat, 5 Nov 1921
Page 19
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-calgary-albertan/184931529/
Sandra
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Canadian Attestation Papers for Henry James Rouse - born Wimbledon Surrey. Unmarried at this date. Next of kin Mrs Lizzie Craig. High Road. Chiswick. 31/12/1914
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=pffww&IdNumber=605148&ecopy=617577a
Appears on a returning Canadian Passenger list
Henry James Rouse - Henry James Rouse - Henry James Rouse - Labourer - returning to Calgary.
Embarkation Port Liverpool
Arrival Date 24 Aug 1917 Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Megantic
Residence Place Calgary
Sandra
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Newspaper looking for creditors of Mark Rouse.
Will proved by Susannah Harriet Rouse
The Times
London, Greater London.
Fri, 30 Dec 1898
Page 2
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times/184931906/
Sandra
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A generation further back John Beaumont Rouse (1851 census shows Mark Rouse)
John B Rouse 61 Head
Elizabeth Rouse 59 Wife
James Rouse 22 Son
Henry Rouse 20 Son
Elizabeth Rouse 16 Daughter
Mark Rouse14 Son
Henry Rouse 6 Grandson
John Beaumont Rouse Marriage Date 4 Nov 1811
Marriage Place Sutton-Valence, Kent, England
Spouse Elizabeth Town
John Beaumont Rouse passed away 1868
John Beaumont Rouse - 1788 - 1868 (aged 80 years)
Death Registration Place Hollingbourn, Kent
Death Date Mar 1868 Kent, United Kingdom
Volume 2a Page 353
Burial - John Beaumont Rouse 1788 - 1868 (aged 80 years)
Death Place Chart Sutton Kent
Burial Date 21 Mar 1868 - Burial Place Chart Sutton, England.
Elizabeth Rouse burial 1883
Elizabeth Rouse - 1792 - 1883 (aged 91 years)
Death Place Chart Sutton Kent England
Burial Date 17 Mar 1883 Burial Place Chart Sutton, England.
Sandra
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Hmm.
But if Henry Rouse was a born Kentishman (or Man of Kent, depending on the area), what would he be doing describing his origin as Ireland and his nationality as Irish in the Canadian census of 1921?
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Depends who was filling the information in !! Not all census details were exactly right.
The attestation papers say he was born Wimbledon. Surrey
Sandra
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I'm becoming suspicious that the "Rouse" listed in that 1921 Canadian census might actually be Liebert - the name of the paterfamilious seems to be "Alb." - and Liebert is occasionally named as Albert on documents. All the details sound like his: Church of England, born in Ireland, nationality Irish, etc.
He "converted" to Catholicism when he married Eva Alice Rouse (he must have been unaware of the fact that he'd actually been baptised Catholic when he was a sprog).
Attached (if it works) some of the details from the census form. Oh - looking at it again, I think they were in 265 Stantoine Street - oh, St Antoine Street? (maybe St Antoine again after those words).
The attachments didn't work, they were bigger than the 500kb allowed here.