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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: GillianF on Wednesday 12 November 25 10:49 GMT (UK)
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I have information that Kathleen Elizabeth Crowther (born 1911 in London) was recorded in the 1921 census with her uncle (Roderick Stuart Hume) and his wife and son living in Wallasey, Cheshire. Both Kathleen's parents had died.
I have searched with all sorts of variations and just cannot find the actual record. Although I have the information I would like to see the actual record to share with a family member.
Any ideas???
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There is a marriage on freebmd for a Roderick S Hume in 1915 but it is in Yorkshire - not Cheshire
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Ancestry and Findmypast have her transcribed as Kathleen Elizabeth Crawshaw in 1921 living with Frederick Rhuast Hurne.
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Kathleen Elizabeth Crowther was b Wirral - not London - mmn Hume. See freebmd
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Carole, you were very quick and efficient adding the correction to Ancestry, I was just about to do it ;D. I will correct it on Findmypast unless you have already done it.
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Only have Ancestry access Jool - thank you
Parents were Robert Harold & Alice. Found death for Robert in Liverpool in 1913 aged 28 but can't find one in either Liverpool or Wirral for an Alice Crowther
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I've reported the error to Findmypast.
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Roderick is on the 1911 shown as b Armagh
1901 entry for Stockport shows an Alice Hume b 1883 Ireland living in Stockport with parents Edward de Winter Hume & Elizabeth
1905 marriage cert shows her as 24yrs & confirms fathers name as above. An Alice Hannah Crowther died Oldham 1920 aged 34 but age doesn't match & no evidence to support middle christian name
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Birth of Roderick Hume.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1884/02683/1988068.pdf
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Tree on Ancestry shows Alice married in Canada 1915 to Joseph Mulvaney & died 1916 in Canada
Son George Edward Crowther b 1907 Shropshire
There is also a Gilbert Hume Crowther b 1905 Southwark but a tree on Ancestry shows different parents
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Thank you for finding the 1921 census on Ancestry. Someone certainly made a mess of the transcription!!
I have researched the family extensively and as follows.
Alice married Robert Crowther and they lived at Port Sunlight. The family folklore said Alice and her husband died and the two children were re-homed with Alice's father and second wife and a brother and his wife. I found that Robert died in 1913 and that they had three children. In early 1914 Alice went to Canada where she had an older sister. Alice re-married in Canada (Joseph Mulvaney) who then died at Vimy Ridge in World War One and is commemorated there. Alice died not long afterwards from alcoholic poisoning. Joseph left instructions for money to go to England for Alice's children but the Canadian military refused. Robert and Alice's son stayed, so far as I know, with his grandparents while his sister, Kathleen, went to her Uncle Roderick when he married and was raised with their own son. No-one knew about the third child (Robert Lionel Crowther) I found and I have been tracking him. I believe Alice may have intended to return to the UK or send for her children but World War One got in the way. I suspect the youngest child went to his father's family and was 'lost' to the Hume family.
It is a sorry tale .............
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Being fair to the transcriber the surname of Roderick does look like HURNE, the letter after the u looks like the r in Stuart :). Kathleens surname looks like Crowsher ;D.
The rest of it is a shambles though.
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I agree with Rosie.
You have the advantage of knowing Rodericks surname. Looking at it as someone who doesn’t know is a different matter. I think Hurne is a reasonable transcription.
I would definitely have transcribed Kathleen’s surname as Crowsher.
How the transcriber made Roderick into Frederick is another matter….
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In early 1914 Alice went to Canada where she had an older sister.
Birth of Alice's older sister, Eugenia Teresa Mary Hume - 28 June 1879 at Lurgan, Co Armagh.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1879/02911/2066664.pdf
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Son Robert Lionel Crowther b 1912 can be found in Liverpool in 1921 as a boarder. He died 1986 Liverpool
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Marriage of Hume/O'Hanlon - 12 June 1878 - Lurgan Parish Church. Edward a sergeant in the 94th Regiment.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11100/8062572.pdf