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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Joes Soap on Sunday 09 November 25 13:17 GMT (UK)
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I have some details of my ancestors, but they 'disappear' after having 2 children and I can't trace them anywhere, even though I can track their children. Please can someone help?
Thomas Partridge born 1801 in Miserden, Gloucestershire
Anne Brown born 1803 in Calne, Wiltshire.
They got married in 1829 in Calne and have 2 children, Isaac (1829-1909) and Louisa (1832-).
In 1841 Isaac and Louisa aged 10 and 11 are living in Curzon St in Calne without their parents (workhouse?). Then 1851 onwards Isaac stays in Calne and Louisa moves to London.
Be lovely if I can solve this mystery!
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I wonder if both parents passed away, have you looked for deaths for them?
If both children married does it have father as deceased? Note this wasn’t always noted down even if they were.
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Welcome to rootschat :)
In 1841 Isaac and Louisa aged 10 and 11 are living in Curzon St in Calne without their parents (workhouse?).
Going by the occupation of Joseph Brittain who is listed above them it would appear to be a Lodging House :-\
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Thanks Milliepede, I can't find deaths anywhere. Thomas Partridge is listed as a 'Maltster' for Isaac's wedding, so very much alive!
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rosie99, yes, a lodging house, but can't understand why the children would be there without the parents though.
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Thanks Milliepede, I can't find deaths anywhere. Thomas Partridge is listed as a 'Maltster' for Isaac's wedding, so very much alive!
The fact that he gives a profession does not prove he is still alive
ADDED - He was a Labourer on both of the children's baptisms
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True Milliepede, but I can't see any other indications of a death.
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Joseph Brittain married Rachel BROWN in 1839 - they were both previously married. Is this why they are living in the same house as them in 1841. The marriage gives no indication of Rachel's maiden name as no fathers are listed
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From where came the info that he was from Miserden GLS? His marriage record gives his parish as Shepperdine which is near Berkeley.
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In the 1851 census Joseph and Rachel BRITTAIN seem to be living with a Robert BROWN age 41 and his wife and children. Robert may be a step son of Rachel and uncle of the Isaac and Louise.
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Spelk...Wiltshire marriages index 1538-1933 lists marriage of Thomas Partridge from Misserdine (incorrect spelling) to Anne Brown in 1829 in Calne.
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In 1851 Joseph and Rachel Brittain are in the same house as a Robert Brown age 41 born Calne.
Baptism at Calne 2nd April 1809, parents Thomas & Rachel Brown.
A daughter Ann Brown was baptised 09 Nov 1806 - could this be Isaac and Louisa's mother and not the one bn 1803 that you have mentioned
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Thomas Brown married Rachel Silk in Calne
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Still looking for clues as to the parents whereabouts ::)
What happened to Louisa, did she marry
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1851 in St Mary's Newington for Louisa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGK4-798?lang=en
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I have not seen an image of the marriage of Thomas but FindMyPast have a transcript of Shiperdine, Glos. which I take to be a transcription of Shepperdine.
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Image is on Ancestry.
Marriage in Calne 4 Feb 1829
Thomas Partridge of Misserdine in the County of Gloucester & Anne Brown otp, witnesses Harriet Mays & Wm Carpenter, the witnesses both sign, Thomas & Anne mark.
Possibly the transcriber didn't understand the long s.
Banns were also read in Miserden.
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Still looking for clues as to the parents whereabouts ::)
What happened to Louisa, did she marry
Louisa married William Crawford and moved to London.
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I believe that the children were staying with their grandmother Rachel (Silk/Brown/Brittain) in 1841 (As per reply 10). It does not mean that they permanently lived with her though, Thomas and Anne could just have been away and were not recorded on the census.
When the children were baptised Thomas was a Labourer, on Isaacs wedding a Maltster. By the time Louisa married William Crawford I would imagine both parents would have been deceased.
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I believe that the children were staying with their grandmother Rachel (Silk/Brown/Brittain) in 1841 (As per reply 10). It does not mean that they permanently lived with her though, Thomas and Anne could just have been away and were not recorded on the census.
When the children were baptised Thomas was a Labourer, on Isaacs wedding a Maltster. By the time Louisa married William Crawford I would imagine both parents would have been deceased.
Thanks for this rosie99. Louisa married William between 1851 and 1852 (Louisa is 'Partridge' in 1851 census, but then they have a baby in 1852) but I can't find their marriage anywhere!
Both Thomas and Ann could have been deceased by then, but it is very frustrating that there is no sign of them!
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Better late than never?
William Crawford sept qtr 1899 Lambeth vol 1d pg 915 with Louisa Partridge on the same page
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Later censuses would imply that the other pair on that marriage reference Lidbury / Davey married each other. Possibly Registry Office marriage, can't find a parish record
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Better late than never?
William Crawford sept qtr 1899 Lambeth vol 1d pg 915 with Louisa Partridge on the same page
That was the only one I was able to find but like Lizzie I could not find any further details online.
William and Louisa are together on all the census after 1851.
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I can find Louisa as a single lodger in Newington in 1851, but has anyone found William in 1851? I wonder if he was married and the delay was while they waited for his wife to die.
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I can find Louisa as a single lodger in Newington in 1851, but has anyone found William in 1851?
I wonder if he was married and the delay was while they waited for his wife to die.
LizzieL - please could you give details of William occupation, year and place of birth
it would make a little quicker to take a look to see if I can find him - thanks
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1861 age 36 bn London - no occupation listed. (Has been wrongly transcribed as London, Middlesex)
1871 age 46 bn Cripplegate occ Tin worker
1881 age 56 bn Middlesex occ Marine Store dealer
1891 age 66 bn City, London occ Wire worker
He is constant with his age ;D
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As above
1861 he is 36 no job given born London
1871 he is age 46 Job Tin Worker born Cripplegate MDX
1881 he is age 56 job Marine store Dealer (genl shop) born Middlesex
1891 he is age 66 job Wire Worker
1901 he is age 76 Living on own means bon Cripplegate MDX
Added - Possible death in Camberwell in 1913 suggested dob 1825.
1911 he is a Lodger age 86 Old Age Pensioner Married 60 years crossed out, born Cripplegate City signed William CRAFORD sen
Living with William CRAWFORD Junior in Camberwell
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Thank you Rosie & Spelk for providing the details, as you say Rosie his age is consistent on all the censuses unfortunately I have had no success finding William on the 1851 census :-\
Spelk the detail from the 1911c that would give a marriage date of around 1851 for William Crawford and if I have the correct Louisa Crawford born Calne on 1911 inmate at Camberwell Workhouse, Constance Road, East Dulwich, married 52 years (around 1859)
Register of death Constance Road on 6 Oct 1911
Better late than never?
William Crawford sept qtr 1899 Lambeth vol 1d pg 915 with Louisa Partridge on the same page
A shame the marriage isn't online to view the details
Added - daughter Louisa's 1851 birth entry would that be any help for an address and occupation for William Crawford - an instant digital image is available £3.00 from GRO
CRAWFORD, LOUISA mmn PARTRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01 Page 456
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Keep in mind that the OP Joes Soap was asking what happened to Louisa's parents after their marriage and the birth of the two known children. Joes Soap may already know all the details about their two known children.
Thomas and Anne may have emigrated and left the children behind but unlikely. I had an ancestor who went off to "America" leaving behind his wife and children but I doubt if both parents would go and leave children behind.
Maybe they both died of Cholera or they split up or he was transported to the antipodes? If either Thomas' or Mary's parents left a Will it might solve the issue.