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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: castlebob on Friday 07 November 25 08:48 GMT (UK)
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Benjamin Armstrong was born in Mansfield in about 1824, possibly baptised Nov 1826. He wed a Jemima Dodsley. I think Benjamin's father was named William, probably from Nottinghamshire. Does anyone know William's birthplace & year? I'm keen to find their pre-Nottinghamshire roots.
Cheers,
Bob.
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I have to go out now but I noticed on Anc family trees that a marriage to Jemima Dodsley in 1853 lists his father William as a Stonemason and in 1841 a William Armstong b 1805 listed as Stone Mason is living in Mansfield with family. In 1851 still there listed as Stone Sawyer??
Kay
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Sarah DOBB/William ARMSTRONG married 6 Feb 1826 Mansfield
(FreeREG)
+ Bapt 8 Aug. 1803 same place for WILLIAM, Son of BENJAMIN/ANN Armstrong
(Anc.)
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By 1861 William has remarried, still looking for that on line.
There are 2 Marriage for William to a Ann right time frame for Williams bapt;
27 Aug 1795 to Ann WILCOCK
29 Aug 1799 to Ann WORDSWORTH
(FreeREG)
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Possible Death Reg;
ARMSTRONG, SARAH age 52
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 39
FreeBMD has a Marriage Rego to Joules, Frances 1859
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1841 living near to William/Sarah and children is a BENJAMIN Armstrong Ag Lab age 65 (c 1776)
So very likely his Father.
Death Reg 1848 age 78
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Many thanks, everyone!
I'm wondering if they came down from Durham due to coal mining or quarry mining?
Cheers,
Bob
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Bob There were stone quarries in Mansfield for hundreds of years.
I see in 1841 they were living on Chesterfield Road, there was a quarry there, it was behind the Pheasant Inn ( I used to play in it as a child. )
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Interesting! Thanks for that.
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Newspaper Report - Nottingham Review 24 Aug 1838
Death
At Mansfield, on this day week, Ann wife of Benjamin Armstrong Stone Mason age 80
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Thanks, Kay. It seems there were a lot of new buildings, using stone, being built in Nottingham in the 18th century, so perhaps folk from the N E of England and the Scottish border counties came south.
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If you look at FreeReg there were Armstrongs in Mansfield in the early 1700s.
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Many thanks. I've got a lot of info on the Armstrongs who were Calais merchants from Tweedale who moved to Corby Glen in the 16th C, plus some who were connected to Wysall Church & Rempstone in the 16th & 17th. There's a 14th C tomb of an Armstrong, too. Two held the manor of Thorpe in the county.
I'll take a look at the ones you've mentioned.
Cheers,
Bob
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More baptisms for children of William and Sarah, all at Mansfield; William listed as labourer or stonesawyer for each, and address Chesterfield Road for each:
1826 11 12 Benjamin
1829 03 08 William
1834 07 04 John
1837 08 03 1837 08 13 George
1840 04 04 1840 04 12 Henry (died 1848)
1842 02 19 1842 03 06 Emma
1845 01 08 Joseph (died 1845)
1846 07 22 Harriett
There's also a burial for Ann, d of William and Sarah 7.3.1844,age 2
7.1.1857 - burial of Sarah Armstrong, of Chesterfield Road, wife of William (confirming trish's find)
Marriage: 1859 03 06 William ARMSTRONG Frances JOW
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Going back another generation, baptisms to Benjamin and Ann Armstrong, all Mansfield
1796 05 11 Mary
1797 10 23 Ann
1799 09 25 Hannah (burial of Anna, age 6 months, in April 1800)
1801 04 08 Anna
1803 08 08 William
There was a burial on 6.2.1799 of 26 year old Mary, wife of Benjamin Armstrong - but none of the above had a mother named Mary.
I suspect there may have been 2 Benjamins, with 3 marriages between them, because of this.
Marriages, all at Mansfield:
Date of Marriage Groom's First Name Groom's Surname Bride's First Name Bride's Surname Parish Name
1794 09 04 Benjamin ARMSTRONG Mary PAILTHORPE
1795 08 27 Benjamin ARMSTRONG Ann WILCOCK
(first baptisms to Benjamin and Ann start in 1796)
(Mary, wife of Benjamin, dies Feb 1799 age 26)
1799 08 29 Benjamin ARMSTRONG Ann WORDSWORTH
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Two Benjamins of similar age:
Burials, Mansfield:
1839 11 08 Benjamin ARMSTRONG age 70 Union House
1848 10 16 Benjamin ARMSTRONG age 78 Back Lane West (he's shown in the 1841 census as an ag lab, age 65, born in county; annoyingly he doesn't seem to be living with any other Armstrongs)
One baptism listed near Mansfield:
1775 02 15 Benjamin son of Thomas and Hannah ARMSTRONG SUTTON IN ASHFIELD St Mary Magdalene
Good luck with sorting these out!
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Many thanks, Annie.
Lots to consider here!
Cheers,
Bob
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Well, Ann died in 1838 and was the wife of Benjamin, a stonemason.
Benjamin stonemason died 1839, given age 70 so yob 1769 (ish!) He died in the union house. But Ann, his wife, died at Chesterfield Road, which is where William and his family lived, so what with that and William also being a stonemason, it's a good bet that this Benjamin and Ann were William's parents.
But which couple were they? There are no baptisms to Benjamin and Mary, all the relevant baptisms have Ann as the mother's name.
So in summary it seems that ONE Benjamin married Ann Wilcock in 1795, and they were the parents of Mary, Ann and Hannah.
The OTHER Benjamin, having been widowed, married Ann Wordsworth in 1799.
Either couple could then be the parents of Anna (1801) and William (1803). Frustratingly no father's occupation is given on my cd for any of these children at baptism.
Ann's age was given as 80 when she died in 1838, and stonemason Benjamin was 70 the following year. So her yob might have been around 1758, making her quite old in reproductive terms when she married Benjamin in either 1795 or 1799. Not too old to have children, but perfectly old enough to have been married previously - and I can't see a baptism for either Ann (Wilcock or Wordsworth) in Mansfield (although of course she may have come from elsewhere).
If you want to try to trace any of the children of either couple, just in case it offers any further clues, these are possible marriages at Mansfield:
1818 11 24 Thomas COUSINS Mary ARMSTRONG
1824 09 14 James WILSON Hannah ARMSTRONG
What I CAN'T see in Mansfield is a marriage or burial for Ann Armstrong b 1797, or a burial for Ann the wife of the ag lab Benjamin.
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Many thanks Annie, (plus the other posters),
Very useful to have this information.
Cheers,
Bob