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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: Nigel Porter on Thursday 06 November 25 11:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I have had the will of Thomas Giddings (1719 - 1780) who died in Tydd St Mary and have belatedly started to transcribe it. However it is proving difficult to read, so does anyone know if there is a free AI system that is any good to help the transcription? It's a long will at 2 1/2 pages and looks interesting, but despite being very neatly written I'm struggling with several words.
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It's on ancestry, what are you having trouble with?
He gives vivid descriptions of just where his land and holdings are.
Wife Eleanor
Son William
Daughters, Ann Giddings, Sarah Giddings and Jane Porter
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Hello Amondg, Thanks for the reply and I have a printed copy of the will that I got ages ago from Lincs Archives and also have it attached to Thomas on my Ancestry site, but for a variety of reasons I've not tried to transcribe it and now I've retired I thought I'd have a go. However at first glance it looks daunting and if the advances in AI would make it easier I thought I'd give that a go, hence the question. He also had another daughter, Mary, but she died aged 6 in 1783.
As you know about the contents have you transcribed it yourself, or have you just managed to read it easier than me?
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When I found it on ancestry I read it, there are some words that may need some thought.
Hopefully someone will give you hints re AI
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does anyone know if there is a free AI system that is any good to help the transcription? It's a long will at 2 1/2 pages and looks interesting, but despite being very neatly written I'm struggling with several words.
I know of no AI software that will read this reliably. But there are plenty of people here on RootsChat who will be able to help you.
Start a new thread on the Handwriting board - https://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition.
Post snippets of the image where you need help (including a few extra lines of text above and below), together with your own transcription, however incomplete it may be, and people will help you fill the gaps.
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Ancestry have an AI system in beta that has managed some astonishing transcriptions when I have tried it. But it seems not available for this. Licensing or something I presume
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Hi David, I am trying the Ancestry Beta transcription, but it does not work consistently. I got an initial result that was good, but lost it before I could transfer it to a document and since then it either does not work, or I get a strange result with lots of references to Kent! I'll keep trying.
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Interesting it is working for you, was not available for me for some reason
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I found this site gives an excellent starting point read quite a few words I was having trouble with
https://www.transkribus.org/languages/latin
Just need to select the language the file is in first
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I found this site gives an excellent starting point read quite a few words I was having trouble with
https://www.transkribus.org/languages/latin
Just need to select the language the file is in first
Below is what Transkribus does with the first section of Thomas Giddings' will of 1780. The platform doesn't yet have a reliable English model for PCC wills of this date. That is why I posted as I did in reply #4.
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tromory and imovistanding os mlate and oram this tob
that wotorky
yeast tor and sestamout in mannor and form folowing
frist & gir and sevise into my dear yon Conham orddrings
fall that froohiold Mopnage or Gonomont and three Roods of
trodhols Land (br tew samo mors or lopt is tew same a
favjoming sitnate and lying in 5yd Saint Drrarys aforesaid
flust tile rommon Isane Dorth and east nors in myorors
pompation and late tewesate of caarlos stribs anvitanb
ponbs or ond of Rim and also all that tus are of a a
froohold dain, be the same mow orloss) lying in 5yd saint
Idriarys aprosaw noxt thw common east s my oron Laws
foorth low also in my oron orrupation and wentle& a a
prsoluasod of tew Novirom Clristsflir Drenniings clost a
and also all that other ffrooles Dropiago Bondmont and
fall thoso seven dows be tew same huoro or less of frowlold
ain and pasture bromn sitnate and lying in toto vanit
arip aprosaid wheroof the said driopuago and six anos
part thowof are sitnate and biing in aPurtain fiold
there pallod rioss ffiolds next Laws of the feoffors of Gyr
saint Marys aprosai in part and Lans of edoars poll in
Ipart North Shuro Drain asant East, and Low Satie wost&
fan ond and, rosone of the said sovon dows is lying in a
a rertain fiowd kow ratir ariialo fiold noxt Lams ta
Iolonging to tw Orrastor and ffollows of Crinity Colloge in
Hew nivvisity of Cambringo North tho do her Bank East
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I was only going by my experience of the software.
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A*'s attempt on the first page, I am quite impressed by it. There are obvious flaws, but ... It's a good start for manual transciption.
In the Name of God Amen I. Barneis Enduring of God savee Dicary in the Court of my Lord Godman and of a sound and disposing of mind memory and understanding do make and ordain this to be my last will and Testament in manner and for my purpose part of my and desire unto my Dear son Thomas my son all that I possess of Dignidade or Tenement and the Blood of produced land of the same more or less in the same a adjoining strate and lying in the said Dignidade aforesaid and the common Distant North and East and in my own occupation and care and part of Edward which and where there is one of them and also all that one and of a flooded land of the same more or less lying in the said Dignidade aforesaid with the common East and in my own lands which was also in my own occupation and volute of a purchased of the Drowned Christopher Wimmines Clerk and also all that other Drowned Dignidade or Tenements and all those seven acres be the same more or less of Flooded land and partings ground strate and lying in the said Dignidade Sharp aforesaid not next the said Drowned and six part part North and Strate and being in a Drowned field there called Rose fields next lands of the Drowned of the said Drowned aforesaid in part and lands of Edward poll in part North strate drawn about East and two gate. Togeth and one and rounding of the said Drowned area is lying in a a Drowned field there called Grindole field next lands & a belonging to the said Drowned and following of Trinity College in the University of Cambridge North the old to a Drowned East
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This has been suggested in a post in the Common Room
https://transcribery.com/
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This has been suggested in a post in the Common Room
https://transcribery.com/
This is certainly the best yet ...
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In the Name of God Amen.
I, Thomas Goodings of Tydd Saint Marys {possibly Tydd Saint Marys} in the County of
Lincoln Gentleman being of a sound and disposing Mind
Memory and Understanding do make and ordain this to be my
my last Will and Testament in manner and form following that is to say
First I give and devise unto my Dear Son William Goodings
all that Freehold Messuage or Tenement and two Roods of
Freehold Land be the same more or less {possibly be the same more or less}) the two same adjoining
situate and lying in Tydd Saint Marys {possibly Tydd Saint Marys} aforesaid
West the Common Bank East and now in my own
Occupation and late the Estate of Charles Stribo and I give
or devise unto him {possibly unto him} and also all that one acre of Freehold Land {possibly of Freehold Land}
Freehold Land be the same more or less {possibly be the same more or less}) lying in Tydd Saint
Marys aforesaid next the Common East and my own Lands
West now also in my own Occupation and which I purchased {possibly which I purchased}
purchased of the Reverend Christopher Drunnings Clerk
and also all that other Freehold Messuage Tenement and
all those seven Acres be the same more or less {possibly be the same more or less} of Freehold
Land and pasture Ground situate and lying in Tydd Saint
Marys aforesaid whereof the said Messuage {possibly the said Messuage} and six Acres
part thereof are situate and being in a certain field
there called Ross fields next Lands of the Feoffees of Tydd
Saint Marys aforesaid in part and Lands of Edward Pell in
part North Shire Drain Bank East and Low Gate road
and one acre residue of the said seven acres is lying in a
a certain field there called Briddlo field next Lands to
belonging to the Master and fellows of Trinity College in
the University of Cambridge North the old Sea Bank East
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You beat me to it, that’s pretty amazing, I might spring some of my hard earned cash on that. I have lots of typescripts that traditional ocr does a pretty poor job on. So if it can transcribe that ….
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I got the Ancestry function to work briefly and it transcribed the first page and apart from reading Giddings as Gulliver, it looks quite good. Just trying to get the other 2 pages done, but it does not seem to work very often.
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Apologies for not thanking previous posters, I've only just logged on for the first time since last week.