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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Muddipaws on Tuesday 04 November 25 18:27 GMT (UK)
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I have a relative called Ann Mornington / mordeaunt who married John Gaunt in Walsall in 1863. Her maiden name is unusual "Mornington / mordeaunt" and from Ireland . She was born 28th January 1847.
The 1939 census shows she is in Burton in trent and shows her date of birth and that she was from Ireland. I believe it is Wexford (Tipperary) i maybe wrong. Her mother is catherine all i know about her farther is his surname Mornington / mordeaunt I cant find any record of her birth. As their first born was called John am assuming their father is also called John. She has brothers John and William Mornington / mordeaunt. I wondered if anyone could shed light on her birth.
I hope someone can help and this makes sense. 😊
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....I cant find any record of her birth.
Civil registration of births started in Ireland in 1864. Before that date, church records for her baptism (if they exist) will need to be found. You would need to know a location (parish if not actual townland) and her religion.
Not all churches have records before civil registration dates and of those that do not all are online.
Note that it was the 1939 register which was not a census.
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Does the 1939 register actually list a place of birth?
Wexford and Tipperary are two separate counties.
What's given for Ann's birthplace in the 1911 census? (that's the one most likely to give at least a county of birth or something other than 'Ireland').
Does Ann's marriage not list her father's name and occupation?
It's more common for the eldest son to be called after the paternal grandfather but in any case I don't see how you can assume Ann's father was called John.
You mentioned that Ann had at least two brothers, John and William. What do you know about them. Have you found a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland' for them?
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Ann is listed as Mordeaunt in the index and if born 1847 was only about 16- does the marriage certificate list her age (or call her a minor)?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DVJ-3J4?lang=en
This (submitted) tree shows her husband as Thomas Gaunt but lists parents as Peter and Catherine Mornington-
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/G98J-C51
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1861 2013/129/24
Cath Mornington 48 yrs
Mary 16 yrs
Wiliam 13 yrs
Plus 2 visitors all born Ireland
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1881 2822/76/18
William Mornington b Dublin
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1881 2822/123/13
Ann Gaunt 36yrs b Wexford
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Do you have Ann in any later censuses?
I can’t see her, but there is a death for Ann Gaunt b abt 1843 in Walsall in 1889.
There is a likely Ann Gaunt in later years in Burton on Trent for the lady who you have in 1939.
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Hi There
I have the surname MORDAUNT on my family tree . . . (Another Spelling For You 😂)
It was someone who married into my tree so I didn't do much research on the surname but using MORD* as a search option on the Irish census shows the surname to be predominantly in Wexford so it might be worth you asking the moderators to transfer your query to the Wexford forum page as I also spotted that Heywood mentioned that Wexford is mentioned on one of the English census returns.
Tara
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Hi There
Just doing a quick Google doesn't appear to show the surnames Mordaunt / Mornington being interchangeable . . .
Do you know why she used these two surnames?
Tara
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Hi There
The surname Mornington doesn't seem to appear on the Irish census and I can only see ONE reference to the surname on the BMD register up to 1901 🤔
Are you sure that you are working with the correct family in 1861 ?
Are you sure that online tree stating that her father was a Peter Mornington is correct ?
Tara
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....and I can only see ONE reference to the surname on the BMD register up to 1901 🤔
Tara,
The surname for the birth of Olive (Mornington) has been mis-transcribed.....it should be Warrington (and it's been reported by me).
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1902/01911/1740981.pdf
1901 census for Warrington
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Derrybrusk/Whinnigan_Glebe/1352357/
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Hi There,
So am I right in saying then that there are ZERO mentions of the surname MORNINGTON in Ireland ?
I am confused then as to where the OP has gone from Mordaunt to Mornington . . .
Hopefully they post to clarify . . .
Thanks
Tara
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Tara,
I think these are the relevant records
1863 marriage –Ann Mordeaunt
1863 -birth of Sarah Jane Gaunt mmn Mordan
1865 - birth of Peter Gaunt mmn Mornington
1866 - birth of Elizabeth Gaunt mmn Mornington
1869 - birth of John Gaunt mmn Mornington
1861 2013/129/24
Cath Mornington with children, Mary and William
** where is Ann?
1871 2960/134/10
Catherine Mornington with daughter and son-in-law, Ann and John Gaunt.
Death 1874 - Margaret Catherine Mornington
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There is a marriage in 1862 for Mary Mordaunt and Richard Mayo, Walsall
Children going to that couple have mother’s surname with variations of Mordaunt.
Is she the Mary in 1861 with Cath Mornington.
This Catholic marriage is on Find my Past - Richard Mayo and Mary Mordrient but I cannot see the details.
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There are also Catholic baptisms for some of the Gaunt children.
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Hi Heywood,
I wonder was it simply that the family got fed up with people trying to pronounce and spell the surname so they just changed it ?
It can make it tricky to be positive that the correct family is being looked for though . . .
Thanks For The Clarification
Tara
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Is it possible that Catherine Mordaunt (nee ?) was widowed and married a Mr Mornington ?
Tara