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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: JackB015725 on Saturday 01 November 25 16:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
My 2nd great grandmother Eleanor Rodenby (1859-1938) married John Blenkinsopp on the 1st February 1879 in Sunderland. They had 7 children together (2 of whom died in childhood), and she remained married until John's demise due to Liver Cancer aged 44 in 1899.
In January 1901, whilst residing with her children at 5 Percy Street, Blyth, she married Frederick Watson (1867-?), a boilermaker and shipyard labourer from Durham. Frederick died before 1938, I think in America.
On the 10th October 1902, they had a daughter together, Eleanor Watson. Sometime in the 1900s, Frederick left Eleanor and went to America (according to family). Their daughter Eleanor Watson does not appear on the 1911 census with the rest of the family, and I cannot find any marriage or death records for her at all.
If anybody can help me find what happened to Eleanor Watson, born in 1902, the daughter of Frederick and Eleanor I would be very grateful.
Thank you,
JackB
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What does the 1911 entry show re children born to the marriage - living - died?
EDIT
It shows "none" but I think Eleanor was confused with her previous marriage as she shows 32yrs married
Re 1902 Eleanor's birth reg. It just shows her as Eleanor - not Eleanor Rodenby Watson
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No middle name on birth registration
WATSON, ELEANOR mmn RODENBY
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 336
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Hi,
Thanks for that.
I don't know why I put her middle name as Rodenby. I'll amend the post.
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Sorry to question your post. How do you evidence Frederick Watson is the son of William Watson and Eleanor Proudlock.
WATSON, FREDERICK mmn PROUDLOCK
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 529
WATSON, FREDERICK aged 0
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 311
He does not appear with mother or siblings in 1871 census
SS
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Hi,
To be honest, I've barley researched the family of Frederick Watson. There was also a Frederick James Wallgreen Watson, mmn Johnson born in 1867 in Durham, and seen as I could not find another Frederick Watson born in 1867 apart from the one born to William and Eleanor, I assumed that my Frederick was the son of William and Eleanor Proudlock.
I did not look into the censuses of the Watson family.
I'll now remove that information from the original post.
Thank you,
JackB
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A copy of the marriage certificate would give you the father's name for Frederick and Eleanor
They married March quarter 1901 reg. Tynemouth, vol. 10b page 245
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Off topic but John Blenkinsop/Blenkinsopp and Eleanor Roddenby/Rodenby had eight children
all registered Sunderland
Ref: GRO Index
Elizabeth Jane 1880 mmn Roddenby
George Scott 1882 same
Mary 1885 same death 1888 age 3
John Rodenby 1887 mmn Rodenby
Robert Henry 1890 same
Sarah 1892 same death reg 1896 age 3
Mary Eleanor 1895
James 1898
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There is an Eleanor Watson death reg Sunderland 1903 age 0
OR Eleanor Watson reg. Sunderland 1905 age 2
Either would fit a digital copy £3 would answer the question - address, who reported the death etc.
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Amondg, re the 2 deaths of Eleanor. There are also 2 corresponding births in Sunderland that would match
SS
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Thanks
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Hi,
Thanks for all of your information. I already have the birth certificate of her, but I'll buy both of those death certificates and see what I find.
Thank you,
JackB
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I would hang fire, because there should be cemetery records for them (as per Durham Records Online)
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Is this one of them?
Mere Knolls Cemetery
17 July 1903
Eleanor Watson
Daughter of Alfred Watson
Age 5 weeks
Death occurred at 3 Sea View Road
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-7BW3
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Bishopwearmouth
1 March 1905
Ellenor Watson
Daughter of Frederick Watson
Age 2 years
Death occurred at 5 Trewhitts Crescent
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6T-N9JL-S
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That 1905 one looks interesting?
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John's demise due to Liver Cancer aged 44 in 1899.
John Blenkinsop also buried at Bishopwearmouth Cemetery, 21 August 1899
Rivetter
Age 44 years
17 Johnson Street
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-BP95
Graves register for 21/A/822
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-378J-8
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Hi,
Thanks so much for this information. The 1905 one does look interesting. I know Eleanor Rodenby/Watson resided at Percy Street until her death in 1938, and I know at one point Frederick left her. Maybe he left her and took the child with him and went to Bishopwearmouth? I don't know. According to family Frederick "left for America", but I've learnt to take everything what older relatives said with a pinch of salt!
Thanks so much for the information on John Blenkinsopps' burial. I know he was buried in a pauper's/unmarked grave with 3 other people; probably due to lack of money and the circumstances they lived in. I'll look into that Eleanor Watson further.
However, there was an Eleanor Watson born in 1903 in Sunderland which could be a possibility for the above burial; but I think that that burial might be my Eleanor.
Thank you,
JackB
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https://one-name.org/marriage-locator/
According to Marriage Locator Frederick and Eleanor's marriage took place at St Cuthbert, Blyth.
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There are a couple of school admission records in Sunderland for James Blenkinsop.
His date of birth was 8 September 1898.
Admitted to Bishopwearmouth Church Of England School (Boys) 10 August 1908
Parent of Guardian Fredk. Watson
Address 15 Hopper St
Previous school Bpwearmouth Infts
Last attendance 20.1.10
Cause of Leaving - Left town
Same school,
Admitted 8 August 1910
Parent of Guardian Fredk. W
Address 12 Back Elgin St
Previous school - Readmitted
Last attendance 3.11.10
Cause of Leaving - To Blyth (Northd.)
It may perhaps be possible that the info about parent or guardian was just copied from his infants record? Which we don't have.
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Hi,
This is very interesting. Before John Blenkinsopp died, there was a record for Robert Henry Blenkinsopp (another son) at the Bishopwearmouth Boys C of E school, from 1897 (parent given as "John".) Then, in1899 John died, Eleanor moved to Blyth with the children and remarried to Frederick Watson. In 1902, a daughter Eleanor was born; and all of the family was living in Percy Street in Blyth.
Then in 1905, the family was in Bishopwearmouth, where Eleanor, the daughter died. In 1908, they were still living in Bishopwearmouth (15 Hopper Street), and then went back to Blyth. From Blyth they then went back to Bishopwearmouth; this time to Back Elgin Street.
But, on the 1911 census, James is living with the rest of the family at Gladstone Street. Lots of moving back and forth! Strangely, on the 1911 census, Frederick Watson is not with them and Eleanor has recorded her marriage as 32 years?! (It would have been 32 is John Blenkinsopp were still alive.) From 1911 until hear death in 1938, Eleanor lived at Percy Street in Blyth. It's very confusing.