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Title: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Higpoidius on Wednesday 29 October 25 15:31 GMT (UK)
Another missing marriage. Can anyone help?

Henry James Flower bpt. May 8 1881 Bishopsgate, London. Father: Henry James Flower, boot maker. Mother Fanny Eliza Flower nee Mason.

1901 census: living with his grandmother Dorothea Mason in St. Botolph Without, Bishopsgate, London.

1921 census: living at 42 Millbrook Road, Edmonton, Middlesex. with wife Selina.

I can't find him in 1911, so somewhere between 1901 and 1921 he married, but can't find a marriage for them.

Any help or suggestions gratefully received.
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 29 October 25 15:48 GMT (UK)
Was she the Selina Rebecca Flower b 1880 died 1970 Herts?  Henry died Herts 1950.

If so - she was born as Carter
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 29 October 25 15:51 GMT (UK)
Did he die in 1957, if so widow was named as Selina Rebecca Flower on probate index - address was St Pauls Road, Islington

Red alert but posting anyway

Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 29 October 25 15:56 GMT (UK)
He married Selina Carter in Ottawa in 1908 per his army records

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1219/records/736416
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Christine53 on Wednesday 29 October 25 16:16 GMT (UK)
She is indexed as Selma Carter :

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSZ6-YG6?lang=en

Hy James FLOWERS
father Hy James , mother Fannie MASON
Selina CARTER
father Chas CARTER , mother Rosina HAGAN
27 Apr 1908 Ottawa , Carleton, Ontario
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Christine53 on Wednesday 29 October 25 16:27 GMT (UK)
Children:

Dorothy Ella Flower 1909
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9H-N19L?lang=en

Henry Thomas Flower also 1909
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9H-N19V?lang=en

Twins
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Higpoidius on Wednesday 29 October 25 16:37 GMT (UK)
Thank you CaroleW, rosie99, ShaunJ and Christine53 for this information, and so quickly! It never ceases to surprise me how all of you at Rootschat can find these trails. No wonder I couldn't find a marriage in London... It looks like they both must have intended to immigrate to Canada, and then came back to London. I wonder if they knew each other before Canada? Or perhaps met on the journey out? Another story to ponder over.

Many, many thanks again to you all.
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Christine53 on Wednesday 29 October 25 16:46 GMT (UK)
Dorothy Ella died 21 Jul 1910 and Henry Thomas died  19 Jul 1910 in Ottawa.

Perhaps that's why they returned to England.
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 29 October 25 17:00 GMT (UK)
There is a Selina Carter on a passenger list from Liverpool 9th April 1908 age 25 occ Dressmaker going to Halifax N.S
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 29 October 25 17:46 GMT (UK)
Selina arrived in Halifax NS on 20th April, just 7 days before her marriage in Ottawa.
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Higpoidius on Wednesday 29 October 25 18:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks again Christine53 and rosie99 for this. How tragic about the children. They must have just wanted to leave all that behind.
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Higpoidius on Thursday 30 October 25 10:15 GMT (UK)
Thank you ShaunJ for that. Surely an indication that she knew Henry beforehand.
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 30 October 25 14:31 GMT (UK)
Thank you ShaunJ for that. Surely an indication that she knew Henry beforehand.

Did you notice that the witnesses were surname Carter  ::)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1219/records/736416

Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Higpoidius on Thursday 30 October 25 14:55 GMT (UK)
rosie99 - no I hadn't clocked that! So it looks like she had family out there already.
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 30 October 25 16:13 GMT (UK)
The image of the marriage posted by Christine shows them as Chas. Carter and Alfred Carter both of Ottawa
Title: Re: Marriage of Henry James Flower jnr to Selina, 1901-1921 Middlesex.
Post by: Higpoidius on Thursday 30 October 25 17:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks for this rosie99. So definitely Carter family out there. Her travelling over 900 miles in 7 days from Halifax, Nova Scotia to Ottawa  now has a double purpose: marriage to Henry and seeing her family. I wonder if Henry is working for/with the Carter family? They must have all been acquainted in London at some point.