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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: tommy-tipper on Tuesday 28 October 25 10:08 GMT (UK)
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I know its on borders but i am looking for the birth of Maurice (Morris) ap Cadwallader, all i have on him is as follows
6 January 1684 - Maurice Cadwalader married Catherine Grifffith in Llanfor Church, Merionethshire, Wales.
Baptism in Ysbyty Ifan parish records: 4 December 1686 Cadwalader son of Maurice Cadwalader of Rhydlydan
Any hints would be helpfull
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Did find this but not sure if its him,i am also looking for his death.
Lease for 21 years from Sir alter Bagot, bart., and Edward Bagot, esq., his [son] and heir apparent, to Maurice ...,
Description
Lease for 21 years from Sir alter Bagot, bart., and Edward Bagot, esq., his [son] and heir apparent, to Maurice Cadwalader, of a messuage or tenement called Taly Cefn isa in the township of Ffrithoedd, co. Denbigh, and closes of land belonging called y Coed Kay, tir yr odyn, y llogmawr, y bryn mawr, y ddol frwynog, y ddol newys, y bryn melyn, y waen fawr, bron y gamdda, bron y mwdwl, cae'r graig, y ffrith goch, y ffrith arw, ffrith David ap Owen, ffrith newydd, ffrith wair, and Craig y bythe, a messuage or tenement in the tenure of Maurice Cadwalader in ffrithoedd and closes of land belonging called y tir newydd, y batting bach, y Cae mawr, y waen, yr Abore, y Cae newyss, y Cae glas, ffrith y gwairm y Cae Cochion, y ffrith vcha, and a third part of ffrithgyd, and a messuage or tenement in the township of Ffrithoedd late in the tenure of Thomas Griffith or Edward Thomas, his son, and closes of land belonging called y Cae tan y ty, y gilfach, y Cae gleision, Cae yr yscybor, pen craig yr eryr, y ffrithoed Cochion, and two parts of ffrithgyd. Rent: £18 p.a. at SS. Philip and James and All Saints; 12s. in lieu of presents yearly, and £8 in lieu of heriot.
Preferred citation: 861.
Creation Date
1697, Aug. 8.
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hi, I presume you’ve looked at Griffith’s Pedigrees already.
A marriage record at ysbyty ifan to a Griffith could be a member of the Foelas or Voelas family.
Morris/maurice and cadwaladr is a name combination that re-occurs in the llanfihangel y pennant and penmorfa parishes. The clennenau family being one.
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Catherine Griffith was the Descendant of Griffith ap Evan of Ucheldre the son of Evan Robert Lewis of Frongoch,She left with her son Cadwallader with the Quakers and stayed with her brother Hugh Griffith,its believed Evan and Morris ap Cadwallader share the same male line due to both being E ydna haplogroup,Morris ap Cadwalader never left for US so not sure what happened but trying to trace him back
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Bangor university hold the estate archives for north Wales. They may be able to help.
Crynwyr is welsh for quakers. A quick search on Abe books came up with a book: CRYNWYR BORE CYMRU 1653-1699
Seems to fall in your date of research.
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There is an entry for Ucheldre ( gwyddelwern, merioneth) in Griffith’s pedigrees, but this records The Meyrick family purchasing it in the early 1600s.
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https://discover.library.wales/discovery/search?vid=44WHELF_NLW:44WHELF_NLW_NUI&lang=en
Have you looked on Welsh Wills for possibilities. You'll have to try name variations.
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FAO collwyn ap tangno,I am in a group of Ydna who are linked to the Quakers who left to start Merion,Gywnedd County with Penn in 1683 and found a intresting article involving Collwyn ap Tangno which includes Morris and Roberts who left with Quakers so it might intrest you
Collwyn had a son, Meredith ap Collwyn, of Llyn, who
had Gwrgan, who had Einion, who had Meredith, who had
Howell, who had Griffith, who had levan, who had Rhys, who
had levan, who had Griffith ap levan, who was father to Mor-
ris ap Griffith, who held the lands of Pencoed, near Plas Du, in
the parish of Llanarmon, and other detached farms about the
year 1 500 and later^ This Morris ap Griffith had issue several
sons, viz.: Griffith Morris, John Morris, William Morris,
Thomas Morris, Hugh Morris, Richard Morris, David Mor-
ris, Robert Morris and Meredith Morris. Thomas Morris had
(besides a son Richard) a son Robert, called Robert Thomas
Morris, of Cowyns, who was father of Richard Roberts, who
by Margaret his wife, daughter of Richard Evans, was father
to John Roberts (born 1648), Richard Roberts and Anne Rob-
erts. Both his brother, Richard, and his sister, Anne, appear
to have removed with John Roberts to Pennsylvania in 1683.
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Yes, all my family lines seem to all gravitate towards Collwyn ap Tangno. All the Eifionydd ( part of north wales) families descend from him in some way. Griffith’s Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarfonshire families will have many, including the one you mentioned, contained within. There are scanned versions, if you do a search you’ll find one (Standford library had one).
Most people in north west Wales will be related to him or Owain Gwynedd. That’s why I chose the name!
There is a Crynwyr website. You may be able to get somebody to help you with your research. They may have somebody that can translate sections of the book I mentioned.
Gwynedd Archives is another resource. They can do a limited search for you if you ask nicely.
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I looked again at Griffith’s pedigrees for the Voelas family(page 326)
They do use cadwaladr and maurice combination.
There’s a Cadwaladr ap Maurice alive 1545, died 1611. His sons then should’ve been ‘ap cadwaladr’ but at this time a nice chap called Bishop Rowland Lee insisted that they should adopt surnames. Bishop Rowland was not a man to be messed with and, to put it mildly, disliked Welsh people.
The family then adopt Wynne as a surname. They may’ve also used Maurice or Morris as a patronymic surname locally.
The cadwaladr name reoccurs until the last one, Cadwaladr Wynne ( marries 1716)
Your man could be related to this family, he could be a illegitimate son that used the morris surname instead of wynne. They often did this. This was a time that illegitimate children were recognised because it was more shameful to allow the parish to look after them.
Just a theory!