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Title: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Antony1977 on Sunday 26 October 25 20:44 GMT (UK)
Good evening , I’m having a mare on ancestry this evening, can anyone help !

I have located the birth certs but

I can’t for the life of me locate the death certs ( and marriage if applicable) for

( Elisabeth) Elizabeth Green bn 7 Oct 1924 , born Ledbury , father William Green , mother Lily Green nee Coley.

Elisabeth Green
Oct 1924
[Nov 1924]
[Dec 1924]
Oct-Nov-Dec
Ledbury
Hereford & Worcester
Coley
ба
642

Nelly Green bn 28 Nov 1926 born Ledbury , father William Green mother Lily Green nee coley

Nelly Green
Registration Date Jan 1927

Registration Quarter
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District
Ledbury
Inferred County
Hereford & Worcester
Mother's Maiden Name Coley

Volume Number 6a

Page number
667

They are two of the daughters of my partners 2x grandmother ( Lily Green Nee Coley)

There was another girl called Eileen Annie Green but she was born premature in 1929 and died 3 weeks later .

We would love to know what happened to them and if they have any living descendants, and possibly a photo of Lily Green their mother.
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 26 October 25 21:33 GMT (UK)
In theory they could be still alive so that could be why.

Best to remove their names until we can confirm whether they have passed away or not.

Do they appear on the 1939 register or are the names blobbed out?

When was Lily born please and where was the family living?
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 October 25 00:08 GMT (UK)
To find their deaths you would first have to establish whether they married as the death would be in their married name.

The online GRO register only covers deaths to 2007.  After that date you have to use GRO online which has deaths to 2023.  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Your post needs to be on the Hereford board so I have asked the moderator to move it for you.
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 October 25 00:18 GMT (UK)
It looks as though their 1939 entries are redacted
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Jon_ni on Monday 27 October 25 00:19 GMT (UK)
look for them on the 1939 Register you know when they were born, that should have their married surnames.
CaroleW was that Findmypast or Ancestry they were redacted? 1924 should be open FindMyPast.

No Elizabeth Green born 7 Oct 1924 on 1939 Reg.
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 October 25 00:26 GMT (UK)
It was Ancestry

Possibility

Marriage June qtr 1960 - Elizabeth Green/Henry Waygood. Hereford 9a 46

Death Elizabeth Waygood July 1994 b 7.10.1924  Hereford
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 October 25 00:34 GMT (UK)
Henry was b 1933 & died 2007.  An incomplete tree on Ancestry suggests this is the right Elizabeth Green

Per GRO index - They appear to have had one daughter b 1964.  Privacy rules apply so she cannot be named here
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 05:51 GMT (UK)
In theory they could be still alive so that could be why.

Best to remove their names until we can confirm whether they have passed away or not.

Do they appear on the 1939 register or are the names blobbed out?

When was Lily born please and where was the family living?

Hi thank you

Lily coley 21/8/1896 Ledbury  ( born Annie Elizabeth coley , name changed to Lily around 1901)

Died 4 Sept 1936 burghil asylum
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 05:53 GMT (UK)
To find their deaths you would first have to establish whether they married as the death would be in their married name.

The online GRO register only covers deaths to 2007.  After that date you have to use GRO online which has deaths to 2023.  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Your post needs to be on the Hereford board so I have asked the moderator to move it for you.

Thank you
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 06:00 GMT (UK)
Henry was b 1933 & died 2007.  An incomplete tree on Ancestry suggests this is the right Elizabeth Green

Per GRO index - They appear to have had one daughter b 1964.  Privacy rules apply so she cannot be named here

I don’t suppose you have the ancestry member name that the tree is on?
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 06:05 GMT (UK)
Henry was b 1933 & died 2007.  An incomplete tree on Ancestry suggests this is the right Elizabeth Green

Per GRO index - They appear to have had one daughter b 1964.  Privacy rules apply so she cannot be named here

I’ve found it
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 08:24 GMT (UK)
To find their deaths you would first have to establish whether they married as the death would be in their married name.

The online GRO register only covers deaths to 2007.  After that date you have to use GRO online which has deaths to 2023.  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Your post needs to be on the Hereford board so I have asked the moderator to move it for you.


As a basic researcher I’m drawing a black finding any existence of Nelly Green bn 28th Nov 1926, under the below GRo details of, it says the volume number is invalid . I’ve requested a manual search and copy if they find it , I can’t even find a death certificate under her birth details , it’s very frustrating, are you able to guide me to find her somewhere else?

Nelly Green
Registration Date Jan 1927

Registration Quarter
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District
Ledbury
Inferred County
Hereford & Worcester
Mother's Maiden Name Coley

Volume Number 6a

Page number
667
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: AntonyMMM on Monday 27 October 25 09:01 GMT (UK)
The birth is there  -  ( usually best not to put vol/page numbers into the searches)

Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 09:30 GMT (UK)
The birth is there  -  ( usually best not to put vol/page numbers into the searches)

Thanks Antony ( there’s not many of us called Antony , everyone puts a H in my name )
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: AntonyMMM on Monday 27 October 25 09:40 GMT (UK)
Thanks Antony ( there’s not many of us called Antony , everyone puts a H in my name )

Very true - annoying isn't it !

(the reason you didn't find the birth originally using the full details is probably because the GRO site uses a leading zero on volumes so you need to put 06A, not just 6A)
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Jon_ni on Monday 27 October 25 10:44 GMT (UK)
I should have looked at the image yesterday as was the only Elizabeth Green in Herefordshire born that year.
Elizabeth Green, subsequently WAYGOOD transcribed as born 31 Dec 1924 based on a (to me illegible) admendment above, inbetween 2 closed records and with scellotape over parts.
Looks like originally said born 1st Oct 1924. At school. [is superscript st rather than th]
Residence The Orphan Homes, Ryelands Road, Leominster, Herefordshire.
If younger sister is there then her record is closed.

https://findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA/R39/5143/5143E/004/33

details of home https://childrenshomes.org.uk/LeominsterOrphan/
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 10:57 GMT (UK)
I should have looked at the image yesterday as was the only Elizabeth Green in Herefordshire born that year.
Elizabeth Green, subsequently WAYGOOD transcribed as born 31 Dec 1924 based on a (to me illegible) admendment above, inbetween 2 closed records and with scellotape over parts.
Looks like originally said born 1st Oct 1924. At school. [is superscript st rather than th]
Residence The Orphan Homes, Ryelands Road, Leominster, Herefordshire.
If younger sister is there then her record is closed.

https://findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA/R39/5143/5143E/004/33

Thank you

Are you able to send a screenshot of the link below , I no longer subscribe to find my past , I went with ancestry instead !

When you say :

“If younger sister is there then her record is closed”

What does that mean?
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Jon_ni on Monday 27 October 25 11:03 GMT (UK)
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Are you able to send a screenshot of the link below

A Full screenshot would be against the terms of my sub and RootsChat rules. Attached is a small snip of the date which also clarifys the 'closed' comment - redacted, less than 100 and not matched with someone who has died before 2008 in their England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007.

Should appear on Ancestry when they next update their database (they last did 2 May 2024).
https://nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register
Title: Re: Marriage / death cert ?
Post by: Antony1977 on Monday 27 October 25 11:06 GMT (UK)
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Are you able to send a screenshot of the link below

A Full screenshot would be against the terms of my sub and RootsChat rules. Attached is a small snip of the date which also clarify's the 'closed' comment - redacted, less than 100 and not matched with someone who has died

Thank you , I’ve found that ink blots , selotape, incorrect spelling and dates have plagued my partners family history hunt 😂