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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Jason Jase on Thursday 23 October 25 16:45 BST (UK)
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I am trying to push back my tree on a family line with a common name.
So people can see it they are on family search William Howard Matthews LWVM-TR6
and wife Mary Barrett L8RW-5KY. They are heavily research so what I need help with is William Matthews Grandparents and above.
William's parents are said to be William Matthews and Mary Wragg. Can anyone help me with this?
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Can you include some dates - birth/marriage/death etc. It is always advisable to include details in your post including what census info you have as it saves peoples time having to try to find the record you are referring to
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William Mathews married Mary Barrett (minor) 2 March 1852 at Crich.
His father William - ...inger ? Could be Stockinger
Her father William - Miner
Witness Joseph Elliott and Ann Barrett.
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The William and Mary 1841 Belper William is a cotton frame work knitter, the occupations don't match unless a frame work knitter is also a Stockinger
deleted wrong family
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1852 marriage on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KB68-JWZ?lang=en
is this the family in 1861?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FM-N4R?lang=en
children registered with mmn Barratt except for Elizabeth who was registered as Barratt mmn Barratt
1851 for Mary & family with Elizabeth listed as granddaughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDH-V2S?lang=en
1871 for Mary senior with Matthews grandchildren in household
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXQ-GF4?lang=en
Possible baptism for William with father William a stockinger
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP8C-1JY6?lang=en
Batpism in 1841 for sisters Sarah b. 1834 & Hannah b. 1829
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP8Z-PT3X?lang=en
1841 census?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7SY-VHH?lang=en
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In 1861 census
The family before William 1832 Coal Miner and his wife Mary is :-
William Mathews 59 Frame work knitter born Watnall Notts. and his wife Mary 70 born Heath Derby
probably his father but no proof.
It may prove useful to get the death certificates for Mary Mathews who died April 1871 age 80 to see who registered her death.(Buried 16 April 1871 of Swanwick.)
Likewise William Mathews who died 1878 age 77 reg. Belper.
GRO cost is £3 for a digital copy.
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so I found another persons tree that has
William Howard Matthews
B:26 Feb 1832 Swanwick, Derbyshire, England
D:21 Feb 1887 14 Mile Ranch, Rock Springs, Sweetwater, Wyoming, USA
parents as
William Matthews snr
B:7 Jul 1797 Pentvich, Derbyshire, England
D:Jan 1889 Belper, Derbyshire, England
and
Mary Crisp
B:12 Jun 1796 St. Peter, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
D:13 Apr 1871 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
on family search his parents are listed as
William Matthews
Birth: abt 1802
Wattnall, Nottinghamshire, England
Death: Jan 1889
Belper, Derbyshire, England
and
Mary Wragg
Female
MZPR-P86
Birth: 1791 Heath, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Death: 1871 Swanwick, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
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other than Mary Wragg's death in Swanwick (if that is even right) the exact location of William Howard Matthews birth I can't tell which couple is his parents.
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I wonder where they got the middle name Howard.
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Can you include some dates - birth/marriage/death etc. It is always advisable to include details in your post including what census info you have as it saves peoples time having to try to find the record you are referring to
I have included the peoples familysearch ID numbers all documents are attached to there profile and is free to access worldwide William Howard Matthews has 32 sources attached to him it would be hard to pick which one would be most useful.
Based on the information On Ancestry and Family search it appears his parents are William and Mary. My problem is which ones.
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Another good question where did the name Howard come from???
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Another good question where did the name Howard come from???
Clearly, YOU have added the middle name to the FamilySearch tree that you quote.
Why?
Where did you get that name?
It does not appear on any of your source documents.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LWVM-TR6
ARE YOU COPYING OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES?
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Not the most scientific way to go about it but in the 1841 census it states the William Snr and Mary the parents where born in Alfreton.
One of the William Matthews is born in Pentrich, (mistranscribed as Pentvich) Derbyshire, England which is about 5km away so basically Alfreton
I found a record of a Mary Wragg being married to Joseph Crisp on ancestry where I don't have a subscription and can view it. So maybe Marry Wragg is Mary Crisp?? can anyone find this?
As for Mary's death
Name Mary Matthews
Age 80 (this would make her born in 1791 the same years as Mary Wagg)
Event Type Burial
Event Date 16 Apr 1871
Event Place Swanwick, Swanwick, Derbyshire, England (location of my William Matthew's birth)
Record Type Burial
Microfilm Number 2082372
Indexing Batch V01787-6
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William MATTHEWS married Mary CRISP (nee WRAGG) in 1826 Alfreton, Derbyshire
Childrens baptisms (Alfreton)
Hannah born 10 Feb 1829 (bapt 1841) (d/o William and Mary; Stockinger; abode Swanwick)
William 26 Feb 1832 (s/o William and Mary; Stockinger; abode Swanwick)
Sarah 22 Apr 1841 (d/o William and Mary; Stockinger; abode Swanwick)
1841 census The family is in Alfreton, all framework knitters
William Matthews 35 not born in county
Oldest son named Richard (15) - born before the marriage, or from earlier marriage?
1851 census still in Alfreton
William Matthews, 49, F/W knitter, born Watnall, Nottinghamshire,
Mary Matthews 60 born Heath Derbyshire
Grandson Richard Walters 3 born Swanwick (son of Hannah)
1861 census still in Alfreton
William Matthews, 59, F/W knitter, born Watnall, Nottinghamshire
Mary Matthews 70 born Heath Derbyshire
1871 census still in Alfreton
William Matthews, 69, F/W knitter, born Watnall, Nottinghamshire
Mary Matthews 80 born Heath Derbyshire
Mary Matthews (formerly Crisp, nee Wragg) died in Swanwick 16 Apr 1871 (age 80).
Mary WRAGG baptised in Heath 12 June 1791
d/o John and Ann Wragg
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24 Dec 1816 Heath, Derbyshire
Mary WRAGG (spinster) married Joseph CRISP (widower, labourer)
Both OTP. Both marked X
Witnesses William Wragg and Maria Eller
Children
Elizabeth Crisp bapt Alfreton 1817
Ann Crisp bapt Alfreton 1819
John Crisp bapt Alfreton 1821
Jane Wragg Crisp bapt 1823 Alfreton
Joseph Crisp death Greasley Nottinghamshire 1823
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/memories/MZPR-PZY
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? Possible baptism for William MATTHEWS
27 Nov 1800 Castle Gate Meeting of Protestant Dissenters (Ind)
S/0 Willam and Hannah of Nottingham
MARRIAGE 19 Sep 1799 Nottingham : St Mary
William MATTHEWS to Hannah RICHARDS
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There is a tree on ancestry for Richard son of William and Mary states born 26 June 1826 Swanwick
Derbyshire. He goes to USA first to Indiana, then Nebraska dies in Colorado.
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It says his mother Mary Mathews, formerly Crisp nee Wragg died in Thingoe Suffolk 1871 that's along way from Derbyshire.
The USA part looks to be well researched I'm not so sure about England as it says he married an Ann Johnson? who died 1864 he then married Martha Enyeart 1866 in Indiana.
Need to find the passenger lists for 1851 plus or minus a year or two.
1900 census he says he came to USA in 1851 and is a citizen, so his naturalization papers would help.
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thank you, I makes sense that they went to America. The William Matthew (JR) which I know is right and most of his family ended up in Rock springs and became Mormons. They are very Well documented and all The photos online from this family are from a DNA match from that area.
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1851 census for Richard Matthews 26 b. Swanwick in Kirkdale, Lancashire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLJ-814?lang=en
The 1871 census above for Mary Barratt with Matthews grandchildren shows 7 year old John born in America & 5 year old Hannah born in Swanwick
Possible burial in Swanwick 11 Jan 1867 Mary Matthews 34
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So as For Mary Wragg Family search has her parents as John Wragg GGYL-B2W and Anne ???? GGYG-X9H
This is from her christening
Is there a way to find out more about John and Anne Wragg nee?
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So as For Mary Wragg Family search has her parents as John Wragg GGYL-B2W and Anne ???? GGYG-X9H
Is there a way to find out more about John and Anne Wragg nee?
Yes - first look for other children baptised to these parents. This will give you a clearer idea of when there might be a marriage to look for.
What marriages have you found? What have you eliminated?
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Well on Family search somebody attached an Ann Oldham G7TJ-589, Ann Naylor KVT7-QDR, Ann Jones GSVT-N1N and I have entered an Anne ? GGYG-X9H connected to me. These Ann's are connected to Wragg christenings / Baptisms. Before somebody jumps down my throat saying I am copying others mistakes I want to say I can see this is a mess and not right.