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My great-grandfather purchased a family burial plot at St Luke’s Church in Formby, where most of his family is buried — he and his wife, eight of their ten children, and several grandchildren.
However, the eldest and youngest sons are missing from the plot, and I’ve been unable to locate their burial records. The eldest, William John Seddon Hughes, died on 6 November 1937 in Sussex, and the youngest, Reginald Hamilton Hughes, died on 2 April 1960 at the Royal Salop Infirmary in Shrewsbury. Despite their rather distinctive names, I can’t seem to find any record of where they were buried. Am I overlooking something?
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Have you checked newspapers to see if there is any mention of their funerals also they might have been cremated
Rosie
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There is a notice in a Shrewsbury paper in 1938 by the executors of his estate and a will is mentioned. maybe that will gave instructions as to his interment or cremation
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Thank you for your help so far, I have requested a copy of Williams will. But I cannot even find an obituary newspaper notice for Reginald.
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Hi,
There is a Shrewsbury Book of Remembrance but I don't understand how to view it,
https://shrewsbury.bookofremembrance.uk/
You could contact them to see who it is available to.
Regards,
Daisy
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From the newspaper-
Liverpool Echo
05 April 1960
HUGHES-April 2 in hospital at Shrewsbury, Reginald Hamilton, youngest son of the late W. G. Hughes of Formby.
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Birth of William John Seddon Hughes, mother's name Smith, registered Q3 1875, district of West Derby and Toxteth Park
Death of William John Seddon Hughes, age 62, registered Q4 1937, district of Worthing
HUGHES—November 6, suddenly, at his residence, Elmstead, Buckingham-avenue, Shoreham-by-Sea, WILLIAM JOHN SEDDON, beloved husband of Lily Hughes, and eldest son of the late William G. and the late Mrs. E. S. Hughes, of Whaley Grange, Formby.
(Liverpool Echo, Mon 8 Nov 1937 & Liverpool Daily Post, Tues 9 Nov, see FindMyPast/BNA or Newspapers.com)
HUGHES William John Seddon of Elmstead Buckingham-avenue Shoreham-by-Sea Sussex died 6 November 1937 Probate Liverpool 22 January to Reginald Hamilton Hughes cotton salesman and Cyril Vaughan Hughes poultry farmer.
(Probate index, 1938)
With more info about his widow Lily you could find her death and then look for an obituary, burial or probate.
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So.... I have tried to find Williams will and that has hit a bit of a dead end as the solicitors office that had it is no longer around but I am still working on that. As for his wife "lily" that appears to be his second wife Ann and she is buried with her first husband so no help there.
As for Reginald, I contacted the Shropshire book of remembrance and according to them there is no record of him in there even though he died in Salop Infirmary in Shrewsbury.
So I am currently no closer to finding out what happened to either of them after their deaths, does anyone have any more ideas for me to try?
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Isn't the will available from
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
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Nope - I tried that and I even paid for the will search and they cannot seem to find it.
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So.... I have tried to find Williams will and that has hit a bit of a dead end as the solicitors office that had it is no longer around but I am still working on that. As for his wife "lily" that appears to be his second wife Ann and she is buried with her first husband so no help there.
Could he have been buried with his first wife? Esther Mary nee Stevenson. I'm struggling to find her death or a second marriage to Ann Haynes Kendrick
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There is absolutely no chance of him being buried with Esther they had a very nasty divorce that was all over the newspapers as she fell in love with the chauffeur.
We cannot find the marriage certificate for his marriage to Ann but we do know that they did marry and we believe she is the woman named Lily in the newpaper article about his death as that is the name she is buried with on her first husbands grave. (its very confusing)
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If the Will is not with the Probate service it probably didn't go to Probate, it isn't always necessary as it depends on a number of factors. If the size of the estate is small probate is not required, the sum varies with the passage of time. If property and money is in their joint names it usually passes to the survivor without
There are various things that can affect the need for Probate. My mother's estate was small and I was executrix, the Probate Office did not require me to apply for Probate and financial institutions were happy to pay out after sight of the Will.
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Jebber, the will did go to probate.
Proved at Liverpool, 22 January 1938.
Need to put 1938 as the year of death when searching for him on there.
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I have tried all the different years and name variations on the probate search link but it still brings up zero records.
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I've found that it sometimes says zero, but if you scroll to the bottom, pages pop up eventually. Used to work better before they decided to "improve it"
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Amy, follow these steps-
On 'Search probate records or find a will' page 1.
Put Hughes as last name - What was their last name?
Put William as first name - What was their first name?
Put 1938 as death year - What was their year of death?
Keep Yes/No as No
Click Save and Continue
On page 2 add NO data
Then click Save and Continue
Scroll down to Image Search Results
'6 document pages returned'
Click on page '2'
Click on Text to Enlarge
William John Seddon Hughes three from bottom - left hand column
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For completeness, it looks like William's first marriage was to Esther Mary Stevenson, registered 1907, district of Chester. From newspaper archives it appears they separated in 1912 and divorced in 1915.
From earlier replies, the following records presumably show William's second wife:
Birth of Ann Haynes Caddick, mother's maiden surname Bussell, registered Q4 of 1876, district of King's Norton
Marriage of Ann Haynes Caddick & Arthur Kendrick, registered Q4 of 1898, district of King's Norton
Death of Ann Haynes Hughes, age 68, registered Q4 of 1944, district of Birmingham
Hughes Ann Haynes of Elmstead Buckingham-avenue Shoreham-by-sea Sussex widow died 12 December 1944 at 92 Edgbaston-road Cannon Hill Birmingham Probate Birmingham 7 May to Reginald Arthur Evans solicitors clerk. (Probate index, 1945)
Arthur Kendrick and wife Anne Haynes (Lily) buried Weeford, Lichfield, Staffordshire
www.findagrave.com/memorial/186410391/anne-kendrick
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Hi Kiltaglassan,
That process just brings me up the probate information, I already have that, I am trying to search for the will to find see if it says where he was buried as it was not in the family plot, the same as his youngest brother reginald. But nobody seems to know where Williams will is I have contacted a few people and even paid for a search and it still cannot be found.
Hi Douglas P,
I already have all that information about Ann Caddick but we as well cannot seem to find an official marrige certificate for her marrying William Hughes, from my research i think the marriage should have taken place around 1921 as Ann is on electrol rolls with her son Reginald as Kendrick up until that point and then on the 1921 census they are living together at Tamhorn Park.
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That process just brings me up the probate information
To get hold of the actual will, fill in the boxes on the order form on the right hand side of the screen. The info you need to do this is in the probate entry.
Then add to basket, and follow the process.
Cost is £1.50
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I already have all that information about Ann Caddick but we as well cannot seem to find an official marrige certificate for her marrying William Hughes, from my research i think the marriage should have taken place around 1921 as Ann is on electrol rolls with her son Reginald as Kendrick up until that point and then on the 1921 census they are living together at Tamhorn Park.
When did William Hughes and his first wife divorce?
In reply#11 you say
There is absolutely no chance of him being buried with Esther they had a very nasty divorce that was all over the newspapers as she fell in love with the chauffeur.
All I can find are reports of a decree nisi being refused in July 1915 and after an appeal against the refusal in October 1915, the original decision to refuse the decree was upheld by the Master of the Rolls. Therefore no divorce in October 1915. Did William succeed in getting a divorce at a later date?
We cannot find the marriage certificate for his marriage to Ann but we do know that they did marry and we believe she is the woman named Lily in the newpaper article about his death as that is the name she is buried with on her first husbands grave. (its very confusing)
How are you so sure he actually married Ann?
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And if you want to make a further attempt to get hold of that will, please do hurry because we have just been informed that the price is going up to £16 on 17 November :(
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And if you want to make a further attempt to get hold of that will, please do hurry because we have just been informed that the price is going up to £16 on 17 November :(
Are we going round in circles here?
Amy149 already said the will could not be found despite paying for a search
But nobody seems to know where Williams will is I have contacted a few people and even paid for a search and it still cannot be found.
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Hi Lizzie
But who did Amy pay?
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Hi Lizzie
But who did Amy pay?
It looks like she hasn't actually said but upthread I asked:
Isn't the will available from
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
and the reply was
Nope - I tried that and I even paid for the will search and they cannot seem to find it.
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I hope they haven't lost it!