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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: alan o on Monday 20 October 25 16:02 BST (UK)
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I am researching Martha Owen(s) who is daughter of John Owen. John was married in Meline Parish in 1826 and his age is rounded up/down to 40 on the 1840 census. He is an ag lab.
His wife is Mary Selby (again 40 on 1841 census) who is born in the next hamlet of Eglwyserw.
Martha has a brother John born Nevern 1827-8 (rounded to aged 15 on the 1841 census).
Martha is aged 10 on 1841 census but again is most likely rounded down or up.
I can't find a death prior to 1851 census and the most likely candidate is as per scan.
However the occupations given fot the 2 women are highly odd and look like men's entries. Also how can she be daughter to 73 year old lady when her real mother Mary would be only 50? There is no farm from her parents as father John is an ag lab and not a farmer. To have Martha as a General Labourer seems odd if not downright wrong.
Thaoughts on this?
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Grandmother perhaps? Mary is married so likely her husband was the farmer.
Was her father John still alive in 1851?
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Alas I can't find him nor his wife Mary after the 1840 census entry. He is in Nevern and the above looks like Llwydco?
I have no baptism record for him so don't know the parent's names either.
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1841 census ages of children should only be rounded down after the age of 15.
The 1841 was taken in June and the 1851 in March so it is possible that she was 10 in June 1841 but had not yet had her birthday in 1851 :-\
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Thanks. That is helpful. If the 1851 census was in March and she was recorded as 19 then her birthday may have been between March and June census date.
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What happens to Martha after the 1851 census
I should have added
I have a widowed lady in Wales who is listed as a Farmer on census - her husband was a Blacksmith ;D
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I have no idea I am afraid.
This is the closest marriage entry on FreeBMD. Not sure which Mr Rees she married though.
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What happens to Martha after the 1851 census
I should have added
I have a widowed lady in Wales who is listed as a Farmer on census - her husband was a Blacksmith ;D
Now I am confused. I have found the hamlet listed as the abode. Troed y Rhiw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troed_y_Rhiw
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There's a lot of TroedyRhiw, maybe the one you have is the name of a property
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/places2
Troedrhiw,Llandeilofawr (CMN),262010,228200
Troedrhiwfelde,Llanegwad (CMN),250370,225120
Troedrhiwgeingen,Talley (CMN),263570,230840
Troedyhiw,Llanfihangel Abercywyn (CMN),228270,217360
Troedyrhiw,Brawdy (PEM),186172,224837
Troedyrhiw,Llanddewi Velfrey (PEM),214326,216960
Troedyrhiw,Llanddowror (CMN),225633,214615
Troedyrhiw,Llandeilofawr (CMN),263360,220320
Troedyrhiw,Llandeilofawr (CMN),265200,222530
Troedyrhiw,Llandeilofawr (CMN),263570,228080
Troedyrhiw,Llandeilofawr (CMN),265890,227430
Troedyrhiw,Llandeilofawr (CMN),262280,226370
Troedyrhiw,Llandeilofawr (CMN),258490,226900
Troedyrhiw,Llandissilio East (CMN),213240,227390
Troedyrhiw,Llanegwad (CMN),251310,223750
Troedyrhiw,Llanegwad (CMN),249218,228035
Troedyrhiw,Llanfallteg East (CMN),215683,220077
Troedyrhiw,Llanfynydd (CMN),255720,227560
Troedyrhiw,Llangathen (CMN),258030,222480
Troedyrhiw,Llangathen (CMN),258060,226200
Troedyrhiw,Llangolman (PEM),211440,225200
Troedyrhiw,Llangynog (CMN),233260,216080
Troedyrhiw,Llanstephan (CMN),234670,211950
Troedyrhiw,Meline (PEM),211334,237274
Troedyrhiw,Nevern (PEM),208519,235857
Troedyrhiw,Puncheston (PEM),199940,230130
Troedyrhiw,Walton East (PEM),203600,222260
Troedyrhiwisaf,Llandeilofawr (CMN),262300,226400
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Troedyrhiw,Nevern (PEM),208519,235857
The next page on the census lists a number of other houses in the same hamlet so it is not a single house name. It is on the Cilgwyn Quarter of the Nevern census sheet so I am sure it is this one.
Alas the 1861 Nevern census sheets appear to have been lost so I can't find it 10 years on.
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Troedyrhiw - Meline parish
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/a5f59f83-9cfc-4308-97f5-b46399073a0e
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Mabel
Super map. That's interesting as Meline is where Martha's brother is living in 1826.
Alan
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Except it's the wrong Troed-y-rhiw
Try this one in Nevern parish - the houses around match the neighbours in 1851
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/8dae58b9-f14a-4203-ad18-cb1f012134de
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Mabel
Thanks. That makes sense.
Alan
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I was thinking this area for the 1841 entry
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/c1260ff4-1a09-45a1-8e4b-6c0ca34c766f
There's a Banc Llwydlos, plus other names which closely match - Pistillmwg, Ty Losg (Llosk on the census), TRinant (Turnant?)