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I was looking into the family of my great-grandmother's cousin Caroline Wisby (b1851). She married John George Gough who was a solicitor. They had four children, all sons, three of them I can trace what happened but one who had the unusual name of Denner Strutt Gough, born 1874 in London, disappears after the 1891 census.
I have tried looking for a marriage, a death or an emigrtion but can find no trace of him. I suppose as he had such an unusual name (he was named after a 17th century ancestor called Sir Denner Strutt) he may have changed it to something a little less unusual, but how can I find out?
Any help will be welcome.
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I see in 1911 John George Gough has helpfully put details about children
4 born one deceased.
Have you worked out who is who for that?
Ie has another one died?
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It seems to me the other 3 sons are all alive , so it must be Denner who has died. But like you I cannot see it.
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Yes that is an unusual name. Might be worth doing a newspaper search just in case a death or anything else is mentioned.
Where were they living when you last see him?
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Odd for a solicitor's son to be working as a plumber's boy.
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Odd for a solicitor's son to be working as a plumber's boy.
In 1881 John G Gough was a tobacconist :-\ (if I read it correctly)
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The 1891 census reads 'Solicitors' not Solicitor. I think there is a word missing.
His occupation at the time of marriage was Solicitor's clerk.
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Thanks to all of you.
mckha489 - I hadn't noticed that, Denner must be the one who died although I couldn't find a death record anywhere so he must have changed his name. I need to dig a bit more.
Milliepede - I did look in the newspapers for Denner/Dennie/Den Gough and could find anything but of course he might be there under another name.
JenB - yes John and Caroline ran a tobacconists shop, or more likely she did and he was still a solicitor's clerk.
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I'm not saying this has any information on Denner, but I guess this is his father?
POOR BOY
... matches. Mr. sent the boy to the Remand Home, and meanwhile it will be seen what can be done for him. AN INCREASING FINE. John George Gough, 57, clerk, of Park-street, Stoke Newington, took too much strong drink Wednesday night, and fell and damaged hie left ...
Published: Friday 01 November 1907
Newspaper: Islington Gazette
County: London, England
Type: Article | Words: 153 | Page: 2
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Published: Thursday 10 December 1903
Newspaper: Pearson's Weekly
County: London, England
Type: Illustrated | Words: 694 | Page: 19
Maybe his death was registered as "unknown male"?
Deaths Sep 1907
Unknown Male 30 Hackney 1b 194
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His mother (d. 1890) and father (d. 1918) are buried in the same plot, Square 115/125, Grave 29144, Highgate Cemetery East Memorials.
If he died between 1891 and 1911, he should have been buried in the same plot, otherwise he must have died far from home.
IF he changed his name, I suppose John would be a good guess given that he was the firstborn son of John George Gough.
This death record could be him
GOUGH, JOHN 25
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 33
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PatLac - that cutting looks good, thank you, and the 1898 death of John Gough a good possibility. He may have changed his name to John like his father and it woud fit in with why he's not on the 1901 census.
I discovered that his father John Gough's brother died when he was just 15, so it's possible that there was some hereditry condition in the family.
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There is also this record, you could try to see the detais.
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The old bailey record doesn't have much more info, other than that he was employed by the post office
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/record/t18920502-464?text=Gough
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Thanks, jorose. He's probably this chap, qualified in January 1892 as a sorter.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/26246/page/263
The death of John Gough in 1898 was registered at Shoreditch which is nearby the Post Office (1.2 m).
We need more evidence though.
Maybe there's more information in the files on Ancestry and FindMyPast? (unfortunately I don't have a subscription)
Does 'lodgings' suggest he was living alone?
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There's a sort of parish index to St Pancras cemetery burials of that time on ancestry.
Just says
6 December (1898)
John Gough
Age 25
Residence Shoreditch
District Parish EP (extra parochial)
In St Pancras in 1891, living with family, is a John Gough, 17, Letter(s) Sorter, born London Marylebone.
Gaugh on findmypast and FS (this link doesn't seem to be working right now)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3Y12-W6Z
So he might be the post office chap, and, if he can't be found later, could be a candidate for the 1898 death.
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I bit the bullet and bought the death certificate of the John Gough who died in 1898 but it isn't the right person. So the person in the old bailey case is probably someone else. Good detective work though, thanks for the suggestions.
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Sorry :(
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In St Pancras in 1891, living with family, is a John Gough, 17, Letter(s) Sorter, born London Marylebone.
Gaugh on findmypast and FS (this link doesn't seem to be working right now)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3Y12-W6Z
Not quite Marylebone, but this might be him
GOUGH, JOHN
Mother's Maiden Surname: MORRELL
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 41
Siblings registered in Marylebone and a marriage of a Henry Gough and Hannah Morrell in 1858.
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deejayEn,
Do you know the address of Caroline Gough's tobacconist shop?
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Yes it was 53 Holloway Road, it's now a probation service office! the family home was fuuther north of the Seven Sisters Road.
Denner's mother's name was Wisby but thanks anyway.
He does just seem to vanish into thin air. If the info on the 1911 census is right and the father says that one of his sons is dead then Denner Gough must have died by 1911 but why is there no record of the death? He might have changed his name and he could have left London but where to? So it might never be possible to trace him.
What's interesting about the family is that when Denner's grandmother Mary Rebecca Wisby died in 1879 its not clear what happened to the money she left (she owned four houses and a shoemaking business) and her son-in-law John Gough was one of the executors (and he bought a tobacconist the following year!). Mary's husband James Wisby who died in 1878 also used the name James Howard in his business and so for years after he and his wife died the whole family added Howard to their surname as Howard Wisby or Wisby Howard or just changed it to Howard, maybe in the vague hope that they might inherit some of the money if they did but no one seemed to benefit from it except John Gough and Caroline.
It's equally odd that his son should disappear with no trace bearing in mind his father worked in the legal profession
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GOUGH, JOHN
Mother's Maiden Surname: MORRELL
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 41
So his age would fit the 1898 death and burial.
Was it this chap who died in 1898, or Denner, or someone else? :-\
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Thanks deejayEn, every piece of information is helpful.
Given that he died before 1911 and can't be found under his real name in the 1901 Census, it's possible that he died before the 1901 Census (unless he changed his name and, as you say, it could be easier for his father as a solicitor's clerk - btw, one census record says he was a solicitor's managing clerk at a Brewery Co.)
This chap could be a possibility (don't buy his death record before we dig deeper ;D)
Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%)
Gough George 25 Strand 1b 406
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I bit the bullet and bought the death certificate of the John Gough who died in 1898
Rosie99 often suggests copying up the relevant info from wrong certificates as a postem on FreeBMD. Excellent advice! That way other people may still benefit.
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Gaugh on findmypast and FS (this link doesn't seem to be working right now)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3Y12-W6Z
The link seems to be good now!
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John George Gough? Or son Denner (alias George)?
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Any clues here?
Pressure of the Rates
... Bus Accident in Shoreditch. While driving on a motor bn- through si street in Shoreditch on Saturday last, Mr. Montague Howard Gough, aged 22, of Holloway, stood up and his head came in contact with a projecting substance which caused severe injuries. ...
Published: Saturday 26 January 1907
Newspaper: Shoreditch Observer
County: London, England
Type: Article | Words: 1576 | Page: 6
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Well done for finding that cutting. That is Denner's younger brother Montague, he survived the accident, got married in 1910 and lived until 1963.
I looked at the other suggestions and don't think they can be Denner Gough under a new name as the other family members and ages don't match up.
So it remains a mystery, but an intruiging one.