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Good morning! I'm looking for some help searching for the burial place of my 2nd Great Grandfather John Halpin. He died suddenly on 26th May 1889 in Whitechapel. An inquest was held and the funeral took place at Ilford Cemetery on 1st June 1889. He was quite a character and was a member of the Liberals and Radical party. Hence there was a large concourse of people and carriages. This was recorded in the newspaper and the coffin was made of polished oak.
I have looked up the records of City of London Cemetery and Crematorium but his burial is not listed there. I have also looked up the Essex Archives which shows records of Ilford, Little Ilford and Chadwell but again he is not listed there. He may have been buried as a Catholic which could have meant he would have been buried at St Mary's, Buckingham Road, Ilford but that should have appeared on the Essex Archives record.
I am at a loss as where to search next and would be grateful for any pointers. Thank you.
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I am wondering why his funeral would be in Essex as nothing points to him having any connection there.
He was born/married/died in the London/Surrey area
Born Lambeth
Married 1864 Bermondsey
Living in London 1871/1881
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I've attached the newspaper article which says Ilford Cemetery. He was living at 25 Scarborough Street, Whitechapel at his death which as you say is a long way away. I'm confused ...
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This is the funeral announcement saying it will leave Scarborough Street.
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If the funeral was at Ilford cemetery I'd expect him to be planted there. I believe Essex Archives hold church records but I'm not sure about cemetery records (assuming Ilford cemetery was a dedicated cemetery and not a churchyard).
He may have had family at Ilford, but if not he may have been buried there because anything more local was full up.
Jane :-)
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I hope that those carrying the banners and playing in the bands at the front of the cortege did not have to walk all the way. :-\
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That's the part of it that makes no sense. A big turnout like that couldn't possibly have travelled to Essex. His wife was in a mental institution in Surrey & died there in 1913 so there is no obvious connection to Essex.
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Carole, it's not so far from Whitechapel to Ilford! Or Manor Park to be precise, if we are talking about the City of London Cemetery.
At that time the CoL was more for people from East London than Essex.
A funeral service being held somewhere doesn't mean that the burial also took place there.
Does ResearchJu know where any other family members are buried?
The most likely place for a catholic from the area to be buried is St Patricks Catholic Cemetery in Leytonstone.
You would think that a guy like that who had such a big funeral would have a grave memorial, but so far nothing has come up :(
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His estate was valued at £67. Perhaps the money was needed elsewhere
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Good thinking, Rosie!
Armed with dates of death for John and Agnes, and presumbly John's burial date as well, perhaps ResearchJu could give St. Patrick's a ring, see if they can help. Even if it's only to eliminate the possibility.
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Thanks all. I'll try and make contact with St Patricks and let you know the outcome.
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If the funeral was at Ilford cemetery I'd expect him to be planted there. I believe Essex Archives hold church records but I'm not sure about cemetery records (assuming Ilford cemetery was a dedicated cemetery and not a churchyard).
He may have had family at Ilford, but if not he may have been buried there because anything more local was full up.
Jane :-)
These are the Essex Records I looked at so it doesn't look like these are the cemetery records? It's headed up Burials in the Parish of Great Ilford in the county of Essex.
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Carole, it's not so far from Whitechapel to Ilford! Or Manor Park to be precise, if we are talking about the City of London Cemetery.
At that time the CoL was more for people from East London than Essex.
A funeral service being held somewhere doesn't mean that the burial also took place there.
Does ResearchJu know where any other family members are buried?
The most likely place for a catholic from the area to be buried is St Patricks Catholic Cemetery in Leytonstone.
You would think that a guy like that who had such a big funeral would have a grave memorial, but so far nothing has come up :(
Thanks very much Jon and Rosie. I contacted St Patricks and they did indeed have details of John Halpin's burial. I had previously got a copy of John's will and his money did go to his children. I will endeavour to go and visit John's grave but I think it is unlikely there is a memorial there as it is in the oldest part of the cemetery.
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Hi
Good news about John's burial, thanks for letting us know.
Glad you found him!
Jon