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Hello, I'm looking for information on a Matthew Lynch born in County Meath, Ireland, in 1896. He served in the British Army in WWI and lived in England for decades. In an index file, England & Wales deaths, 1837-2007, I have found a Matthew Lynch who died in Nottinghamshire in 1965. I don't know of any ties to Nottinghamshire. How can I find out more about this Matthew Lynch, to see if he is the one I am looking for?
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Welcome to RootsChat
We really need a bit more information in order to help.
• What is the exact date and place of birth of your Matthew Lynch?
• Names of his parents?
• What Regiment was he with in WW1?
• Where did he live in England and when?
• Where and when is your last sighting of him?
Possible Matthew Lynch born in Newcastle, Kells, Meath, Ireland on 28 Oct 1896
Father named Laurence.
Matthew Lynch was with RGA in WW1, enlisted 1914 from Manchester
In 1921 living in South Manchester a railway goods loader.
Emigration to Canada in 1923,
And then emigration to New York in 1924,
A brother named Owen born 1890 who died in 1959 in Chicago,
and an Uncle P Markey.
USA Naturalisation in 1928
Is this the person you are searching for?
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To find more about the death in 1965, you would obtain the death certificate.
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Possible Matthew Lynch born in Newcastle, Kells, Meath, Ireland on 28 Oct 1896
A Matthew LYNCH with that date of birth was a hospital porter at University College Hospital (London) in 1939.
He was said to be Single.
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Thank you, Neale and Geoff! Yes, the Matthew I am looking for was born in Kells, Meath, Ireland, in 1896 and lived in London and Manchester (that I know of).
I'm trying to complete the online form to obtain a death certificate from Nottinghamshire as Neale helpfully suggested. I'm having trouble filling out the online form with my US mobile number, which they require. +1xxx-xxx-xxxx and any variation of that, with or without spaces and/or parentheses, seems to be rejected. Any suggestions?
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https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=12322354
This looks like the one. You have to pay to view.
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We really need a bit more information in order to help.
• What is the exact date and place of birth of your Matthew Lynch? YES
• Names of his parents? Laurence Lynch and Mary Farrelly
• What Regiment was he with in WW1?
• Where did he live in England and when? Manchester pre-and post-WWI and London, WWII and beyond
• Where and when is your last sighting of him? My last confirmation of his residence is in London, 1954 (Electoral Registrar). My father saw him in person in London in 1952.
n 1921 living in South Manchester a railway goods loader. YES
Emigration to Canada in 1923, YES
And then emigration to New York in 1924, YES
A brother named Owen born 1890 who died in 1959 in Chicago, YES
and an Uncle P Markey. I DON'T HAVE THIS INFO and DON'T RECOGNIZE A MARKEY -- CAN YOU PROVIDE A REFERENCE FOR THIS?
USA Naturalisation in 1928
Possible Matthew Lynch born in Newcastle, Kells, Meath, Ireland on 28 Oct 1896 YES, THIS IS THE ONE. YES
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To find more about the death in 1965, you would obtain the death certificate. I AM TRYING TO DO THAT NOW.. THANK FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
Neale, you are good at this!
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https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=12322354
This looks like the one. You have to pay to view.
Thank you -- it's helpful information. I will still need to obtain a death certificate in order to know more about the identity of this Matthew.
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Possible Matthew Lynch born in Newcastle, Kells, Meath, Ireland on 28 Oct 1896
A Matthew LYNCH with that date of birth was a hospital porter at University College Hospital (London) in 1939.
He was said to be Single.
Looks as if he was in Kent in 1937.
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Possible Matthew Lynch born in Newcastle, Kells, Meath, Ireland on 28 Oct 1896
A Matthew LYNCH with that date of birth was a hospital porter at University College Hospital (London) in 1939.
He was said to be Single.
Looks as if he was in Kent in 1937.
Neale, could you give me a citation for the Kent reference? Thank you!
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My last confirmation of his residence is in London, 1954 (Electoral Registrar). My father saw him in person in London in 1952.
What was his address in 1954.
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A brother Owen and an Uncle Markey in NY are named on his border crossing documents.
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Matthew Lynch returned to England / arrived in London from NY on 27 Mar. 1928.
He gave his occupation as man servant, and his address as Newcastle, Kells. Co Meath.
I don’t know if he went back to Ireland or stayed in London.
In April 1937 Matthew made an enquiry about his army discharge papers
Address at that time was - 73 Pembroke Rd., Erith, Kent
(see his WW1 papers)
See the following -
Electoral rolls 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953 Matthew Lynch at Belgrave Mews, Westminster.
Electoral Rolls in 1958, 1959, 1960 at Sussex Street Westminster is Matthew Lynch and William Lynch.
Unfortunately, since you are not providing any detail that you have about Matthew, there is very little we can do to assist.
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This is very helpful. Thank you.
I have sent a request for a death certificate and expect to have that in a week or two. With the death certificate, I hope I will have enough information to confirm that the Matthew Lynch we've been talking about is the one buried in Nottinghamshire.
I did provide the information I knew earlier this weekend-- see below.
What is the exact date and place of birth of your Matthew Lynch? YES, stated earlier in the thrred
• Names of his parents? Laurence Lynch and Mary Farrelly
• What Regiment was he with in WW1?
• Where did he live in England and when? Manchester pre-and post-WWI and London, WWII and beyond
• Where and when is your last sighting of him? My last confirmation of his residence is in London, 1954 (Electoral Registrar). My father saw him in person in London in 1952.
n 1921 living in South Manchester a railway goods loader. YES
Emigration to Canada in 1923, YES
And then emigration to New York in 1924, YES
A brother named Owen born 1890 who died in 1959 in Chicago, YES
and an Uncle P Markey. I DON'T HAVE THIS INFO and DON'T RECOGNIZE A MARKEY -- CAN YOU PROVIDE A REFERENCE FOR THIS? Thank you!
USA Naturalisation in 1928
Possible Matthew Lynch born in Newcastle, Kells, Meath, Ireland on 28 Oct 1896 YES, THIS IS THE ONE. YES
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A brother named Owen born 1890 who died in 1959 in Chicago, YES
and an Uncle P Markey. I DON'T HAVE THIS INFO and DON'T RECOGNIZE A MARKEY -- CAN YOU PROVIDE A REFERENCE FOR THIS? Thank you!
USA Naturalisation in 1928
I have already done this. :)
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My last confirmation of his residence is in London, 1954 (Electoral Registrar). My father saw him in person in London in 1952.
What was his address in 1954.
Where was he in 1954 and 1952
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Possible Matthew Lynch born in Newcastle, Kells, Meath, Ireland on 28 Oct 1896
A Matthew LYNCH with that date of birth was a hospital porter at University College Hospital (London) in 1939.
He was said to be Single.
Transcribed as Mathew Wynch on Ancestry. Gower Street St Pancras.
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Hi,
I found this census,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJYD-6BV?lang=en
Patrick Markey, wife Mary and son John living at 360 Forty First St, New York.
Regards,
Daisy
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Thank you, Daisy -- the census will give me context as I look into Patrick Marky and his relationship to Matthew Lynch.
I appreciate all the assistance from you, Neale, Geoff, and wilcoxon. As a newbie, please excuse any missteps as I learn to navigate this forum and community. It's long been a goal to find out when and where Matthew Lynch died and a bit more about his life. These last few days have brought me closer. I am researching what I'm learning as I await the death certificate I have requested.
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Here is some information about Patrick Markey. As you haven’t posted any information about your Lynch family, I’m not sure how they are linked.
Patrick Markey marriage to Mary Murphy 1878 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11118/8070161.pdf
John Markey birth 1879 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1879/02897/2061778.pdf
Anne Markey birth 1880 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1880/02853/2045566.pdf
Michael Markey birth 1884 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1884/02681/1987894.pdf
Patrick’s USA Naturalization Declaration says he arrived in NY in Aug 1887.
There were quite a few more children born in Manhattan New York:-
John 1888,
Williiam 1890,
Rose 1892,
Frederick 1894.
Maurice born 1903 New Jersey.
Patrick Markey died 1939 Bayonne, New Jersey
His widow Mary died 1954 Bayonne, New Jersey. EDITED.
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Neale, I don't know how Lynch and Markey are linked yet either. Kells is the area my Lynch family was in. But I don't recognize Markey or Murphy.
I haven't built out the siblings (sisters) for Matthew Lynch's father's family (Laurence Lynch and Mary Farrelly).
Laurence's parents were Patrick and Julia, but I have no verified information on them yet.
I have an Owen Farrelly (no other information yet) as the father for Mary Farrelly. They are in Cavan.
I am still in the early stages of documenting the family, and am slowly building back through the generations.
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Something may crop up as you work through the family.
At least you know the names to look out for.
I'll leave you to it, Clare.
Just ask if you get stuck and need help. :)
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Neale, could you tell me a little more about the Markey family you've identified? They seem to be in NJ earlier than the 1920 NY Census, which listed a small Markey family on 41st St. His obit mentions living in NJ for 40 years. The Bayonne Times, Fri, Jun 30, 1939 ·Page 2
The 1920 location syncs with the 1924 Border Crossing form, where Matthew Lynch claims an Uncle P. Markey in New York on 41st Street. US Federal Census, Patrick Marky, [transcribed with that spelling, although the written name seems to include the "e"], New York, New York, Manhattan Assembly, District 5, District 0396
I'm having trouble with attachments being too large, and I'm at work, so I can't fiddle with image sizes right now. I've just listed the sources briefly above.
Thanks! Clare
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My last confirmation of his residence is in London, 1954 (Electoral Registrar). My father saw him in person in London in 1952.
What was his address in 1954. Do you have this.
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wilcoxon,
For 1954, I still have Matthew at 6 Belgrave Mews South, from this file on Ancestry:
City of London, London and Westminster, 1954,
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1972 for Matthew Lynch
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See my reply #18 re the Markey family.
I have given you immigration date, and dates and places of children’s births.
The family is easily found in the census.
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wilcoxon,
For 1954, I still have Matthew at 6 Belgrave Mews South, from this file on Ancestry:
City of London, London and Westminster, 1954,
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1972 for Matthew Lynch
Thank you, just that there was another Matthew Lynch around at the same time in Camden.
I found this note in a tree on Ancestry for Matthew Lynch , but there is nothing more to explain it, it`s not much use.
1952 London, England
Per letter from Lawrene Lynch to Lawrence's parents Owen and Mary Lynch in Chicago in Anne Lynch files
I guess that the "Lawnrene" is Lawrence Martin Lynch son of Owen
Birth Date 6 Feb 1929
Death Date 25 Jul 2013
Cemetery Queen of Heaven Catholic Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Hillside, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Going off a bit, but I do tend to go sideways if I see something else that interests me.
In the electoral registers there is a Lady Lena Simson living very close. The 1953 and 1954 is interesting as there is a Hilda Pocock at the same address. Is Lena the same person. Perhaps your Matthew knew this lady
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Ashwell
http://www.ikjordan.plus.com/Players/britishtheatre/LenaAshwell.html
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Thank you—interesting—and who knows? It could lead to a clue or connection. Matthew did serve in WWI, and he often visited the Star Tavern in London, where many celebrities also gathered.
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Hi,
I think there is more than one Patrick and Mary MARKEY couple and they might be getting mixed up.
I think the family I found living in 41st Street in 1920 is the Patrick MARKEY/Mary MURPHY found by Neale1961. I can find births in New York for,
John 1888
Williiam 1890
Rose 1892
and Frederick MARKIE 1894
Maurice MARKEY b. 1903, New Jersey seems to belong to a different family.
The Manhattan, New York family can be found here,
1900 (Wife Mary is missing but Patrick says he is married)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSKQ-348?lang=en
1910 Indexed as MARKLEY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M59S-FGJ?lang=en
1920 already given
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJYD-6BV?lang=en
This Patrick dies in New York in 1925,
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/5716214
The Markey family in Bayonne New Jersey are there in 1910, 1920, 1930 and 1940.
Regards,
Daisy
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Daisypetal, Thanks for the clarification between the NY and NJ Markeys.
By noticing in the 1910 census that Patrick and Mary's oldest son Michael was born in Ireland, I was able to find Michael's 1884 civil birth registration in Kells, Meath. From there, I found Patrick and Mary's marriage registration in 1878, also in Kells, Meath.
I now have proximity -- the Markey/Murphy family was in the area where Matthew Lynch came from. But I haven't yet identified the actual connection. I'll leave that to the side for now.
I am waiting for the death certificate from Nottinghamshire in the hopes that it will confirm or reject the premise that Matthew Lynch is the one I am looking for.
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By noticing in the 1910 census that Patrick and Mary's oldest son Michael was born in Ireland, I was able to find Michael's 1884 civil birth registration in Kells, Meath. From there, I found Patrick and Mary's marriage registration in 1878, also in Kells, Meath.
Do you realise that links to these records were posted for you in reply #18?
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No, I hadn't noticed the detail of son Michael being in Ireland until this evening. Once I realized that, I looked up the civil birth registration and found that the Markey and Lynch families were within a reasonable distance of each other in Meath.
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Did you click on the links to open them?
Patrick Markey marriage to Mary Murphy 1878 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11118/8070161.pdf
John Markey birth 1879 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1879/02897/2061778.pdf
Anne Markey birth 1880 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1880/02853/2045566.pdf
Michael Markey birth 1884 Kells
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1884/02681/1987894.pdf
Patrick’s USA Naturalization Declaration says he arrived in NY in Aug 1887.
There were quite a few more children born in Manhattan New York:-
John 1888,
Williiam 1890,
Rose 1892,
Frederick 1894.
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I missed that opportunity to understand the Kells connection earlier. I rushed over that part in the moment and meant to get back to it later. Lesson learned to slow down and read all the documents and everything on the documents.